Best swivel

[Tim]

Pick your favorite swivel and tell us why...

Swivel 1
http://www.speedbagforum.com/image/swivel-1.jpg

Swivel 2

http://www.speedbagforum.com/image/swivel-2.jpg

Swivel 3
http://www.speedbagforum.com/image/swivel-3.jpg

Swivel 4
http://www.speedbagforum.com/image/swivel-4.jpg

Swivel 5
http://www.speedbagforum.com/image/swivel-5.jpg
Swivel 6
http://www.speedbagforum.com/image/swivel-6.jpg

[dmjudo]

I've owned swivels 1, 4, 5 and 6. I've used number 3 in a boxing gym before and thought it was very smooth.

My speedbag platform came with #1. Ringside adjustable wall mount unit. The little pin would vibrate out and the speedbag would go flying. Easy to find the speedbag but the little pin took some looking for.

I bought swivel #4 years and years before I ever bought a speedbag and switched it out when I got tired of looking for the little pin. I hated swivel #4. It only operated in one direction smoothly and if it got going in the other plane, it wasn't smooth at all.

Then I ordered swivel 6 from an internet company and received swivel 5 instead. That's when I found out that Everlast discontinued #6 and was only making #5 now. I was initially pissed because it looked like a cheap plastic piece of crap.

I managed to find a few #6's right after that and bought 3 of them. Now that I've tried them both, I feel like the plastic one is not so bad after all. It is MUCH quieter and smoother than any of the other swivels. It operates smoothly in ANY plane and did I mention how QUIET it is? The only problem is that the metal pin kept unscrewing from the platic ball. I may eventually try to superglue the threads and then screw it in to see if that would make it stay.

As it is, I am using #6 because it doesn't come apart. Is almost as smooth as the plastic one, operates well in any direction and the noise is cool anyway.

[Tim]

Now that I've tried them both, I feel like the plastic one is not so bad after all. It is MUCH quieter and smoother than any of the other swivels. It operates smoothly in ANY plane and did I mention how QUIET it is? The only problem is that the metal pin kept unscrewing from the platic ball. I may eventually try to superglue the threads and then screw it in to see if that would make it stay.


Interesting, I pretty much dismissed the all plastic version as cheap junk too. I guess I'll have to give it a try now. Seems like all the local shops around here (Sports Authority etc. still have plenty of all metal ones though).

If the superglue doesn't work you might be able to put thread lock on there. You can get thread locker from any auto parts store. Generally once you use threadlock, it's permanent (Although perhaps it doesn't work for plastic). The "271" or "Red" would be the one you want. I don't remember it being that expensive though, I thought the small tubes can be had for 2 or 3 dollars.

http://www.action-electronics.com/loctite.htm

[Speedbag]

#3 and #6 are the only ones I would recommend.

My favorite is the old reliable #6, but alas is discontinued.

I too tried to purchase 5 of them, and received the plastic ones instead, which I have not used yet.

#3 is fast and quiet, but needs to have the bag securely taped to the middle of the bar so it won't slide or float up off the bar, which cause a drastic speed drop (no friction. the bag is "floating", not rebounding). Without taping the bag, you may find yourself "missing" and starting over a lot more than normal.

[Paolo]

I've swivel #4. What dmjudo says is right! It would to have freely operating in all the directions, but this does't happen. Basic movement is principally along the upper horizontal axis. All the other operating modes can generate irregular bounces.

***now I'm thinking that my bag is not so bad :rolleyes: (see Speed bag size topic)***

Next step: I'll try swivel #5 or #6 ;)

[Fuzzy_donkey]

I use swivel 6 right now. I've only used two different swivels #6 and an older style/variation of #6, but #1 and #3 look like nice swivels too.

This question is for who ever use the chain link style....
If you hit it just right (wrong) does it kink on you and mess up your rhythm?

[Speedbag]

...This question is for who ever use the chain link style....If you hit it just right (wrong) does it kink on you and mess up your rhythm?

The answer is YES. The chain link alignment may slightly alter the angle of the bag rebound. This happens to me when hitting from "all around the bag". But for most people who just hit from the front of the bag, or even just front and back (no sideways..) it probably won't be a problem.

[kdiver58]

I have a #6 at the house and #3 on the unit I built for Gold's

[Paolo]

Hi!

I don’t know why but I’ve been attracted to swivel #3, therefore I have bought it.

When I opened the box – I’ve bought Deluxe Pro Swivel (http://store.titleboxing.com/dps-ez.html) from Title online store – I saw immediatly one ugly sign: Made in Pakistan…

Well, I’ve had to replace two ball bearigs, realign the hook and changing the bar. That’s because ball bearings were blocked, the hook was not in axis and the bar was too much small to work with bearings correctly. Now I’m using this swivel: I like it so much, because it’s absolutely quite, fast and smooth. It does not alter the angle of the bag rebound and it is enough fast in changes of direction when hitting from all sides the bag. Yes, I really like it. The only problem is that has been all so much expensive to me… :cool:

[Longarm]

I have swivel #5. I am pertty new to the speed bag and I really didn't have any other ideas when I was putting my platform together, so I have the plasitc one. That was the only one I could get at the sporting goods store, and I didn't want to drive all the way into Title or Ringside, so that's what I got. I don't much mind having to screw it back in either, and it is quiet. There are no issues with the links buckling or restricted range of motion with it, and I think that the screw threads actually turn more freely than the swivel actually does, so I don't mind. I am sure I cannot hit it long enough for the screw to fall completely out of the ball anyway. I just give it a spin and start over. I do notice the change in rythm when it starts screwing out though. It's just one more thing. My new speed bag is lop-sided too, and that doesbn't seem to make much difference either. Works fine.

[Tim]

I do notice the change in rythm when it starts screwing out though.

I haven't used the plastic one yet, but I think threadlocker would take care of that, wouldn't it? Or is there some reason it wouldn't work on metal to plastic?

http://www.action-electronics.com/loctite.htm

[LurchJr]

I have #5, and I am surprised at how well it works. I also had a problem with the eye unscrewing out of the plastic ball. I just took the whole swivel off and grabbed the ball so I could really tighten it, and that seems to have solved the problem. I also applied some silicone lube (the paste kind) to the ball.

[GeorgeJ]

The plastic one came with my kit and I thought right away to change it. Went to a couple of sporting goods stores and looked for number 6. No luck up here in NY. So being a newbie I figured I'd upgrade to the chain link. Can't really give to much of an opinion other than the plastic one was smoother and much quieter (not that sound really matters). Being new at the bag, maybe the chain link requires more "skill"? I felt like it was all over the place. What do you guys think? One last thing just changed the plastic bag that came with the kit (an 11 X 8, I think) with a 6X9 4200. Wow I feel like I just got a lot better at it! Great forum, good info.
GeorgeJ

[Chris M]

I also changed my swivel to the chain link one when I first felt like upgrading and I was very disappointed in it. I'm sure there are people out there who like it, but I didn't at all.

I have two speed bag platforms, one has a #3 and one has a #6. While the #3 is fast and easy to hit, I find that it takes less skill to keep going correctly than does the #6. Also, as has been mentioned before, hitting from all sides doesn't work quite as well as it does with the #6.

[riqal]

swivel 5 (plastic) works well if u screw the metal piece as far possible into the plastic ball. I have the chain-link swivel and #6(metal ball bearing). The plastic one is quieter, smoother, and as fast as the other two.

[o0obruceleeo0o]

I have a swivel similar to #2 and I have noticed that no matter how I hit it, it will rotate and swing along the same axis. So, the same two sides of the bag are always being hit and rebounded. Do all swivels work this way? Looking at #4 it looks like it could swing along two axis' and #5 and #6 seem to able to swing any which way. If I am wrong in assuming this please correct me.

Anyway, as far as function goes I have no problem with my swivel, but it seems to be making my bag lopsided. It is a Century 7x10 vinyl bag, and when I first bought it it seemed to have a perfect shape, but over the last week of hitting it it has become lopsided - I am assuming this is coming from hitting the same two sides all the time. I haven't noticed any "odd bounces" or anything yet, so it really isn't a problem, but I am afraid it will become a problem over time. Could this just be that it is a cheap bag? Or maybe it is a design flaw in the swivel? Or maybe this is normal and it doesn't matter and I am just fretting over nothing :D... Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Travis

EDIT: Actually, after looking at the #2 more closely, mine is more basic than that, it is just one "link" in the chain instead of two. #2 looks like it can swing on two axis' as well. I have been looking all over but I can't find a pic of mine. It looks very cheap, but for right now it seems to be working great (other than the lopsided issue).

[Chris M]

I have a swivel similar to #2 and I have noticed that no matter how I hit it, it will rotate and swing along the same axis. So, the same two sides of the bag are always being hit and rebounded. Do all swivels work this way? Looking at #4 it looks like it could swing along two axis' and #5 and #6 seem to able to swing any which way. If I am wrong in assuming this please correct me.

Anyway, as far as function goes I have no problem with my swivel, but it seems to be making my bag lopsided. It is a Century 7x10 vinyl bag, and when I first bought it it seemed to have a perfect shape, but over the last week of hitting it it has become lopsided - I am assuming this is coming from hitting the same two sides all the time. I haven't noticed any "odd bounces" or anything yet, so it really isn't a problem, but I am afraid it will become a problem over time. Could this just be that it is a cheap bag? Or maybe it is a design flaw in the swivel? Or maybe this is normal and it doesn't matter and I am just fretting over nothing :D... Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Travis

EDIT: Actually, after looking at the #2 more closely, mine is more basic than that, it is just one "link" in the chain instead of two. #2 looks like it can swing on two axis' as well. I have been looking all over but I can't find a pic of mine. It looks very cheap, but for right now it seems to be working great (other than the lopsided issue).

I hate the chain link swivels and quickly uninstalled mine after using it a short time. This type of swivel is the hardest to hit from all sides of the bag. A few people prefer this type of swivel, but most here on the board prefer the ball hook swivels (#5 & 6) or the #1 or #3.

I personally use a ball hook swivel for outdoors and a #3 for indoors because the #3 is quieter.

[INDYFIGHTER]

I ended up with a chain link swivel and this weekend I decided to put a little duck tape around the link to make it stiff. The bag doesn't get cocked sideways on the link now and it seems to work alot better for me.

[o0obruceleeo0o]

I hate the chain link swivels and quickly uninstalled mine after using it a short time. This type of swivel is the hardest to hit from all sides of the bag. A few people prefer this type of swivel, but most here on the board prefer the ball hook swivels (#5 & 6) or the #1 or #3.

I personally use a ball hook swivel for outdoors and a #3 for indoors because the #3 is quieter.

Thanks for the advice, I just ordered a plastic Everlast Ball hook (#5). I figure if I don't like it, it was only $10 and can be used as a backup.

[o0obruceleeo0o]

I ended up with a chain link swivel and this weekend I decided to put a little duck tape around the link to make it stiff. The bag doesn't get cocked sideways on the link now and it seems to work alot better for me.

Maybe my ultracheap chainlink is better in this aspect, because with only one "link" it can't get cocked sideways. I will try to find some batteries for my camera so I can take a picture of mine so you can see what I mean.

[the need for speed]

I upgraded from 6 to 2. Found it to be faster. Now I have my eye on #3.

[JimR]

What do you call #2? It looks like the one on my gym's Balazs 4 Station Boxing Stand.

[Chris M]

What do you call #2? It looks like the one on my gym's Balazs 4 Station Boxing Stand.

The #2 is normally referred to as a chain link swivel here on the site.

I personally refer to them as crap. They are the worst type of swivel in my opinion because they only work well in one plane. All of the others work better when hit from all directions, some better than others.

[saifullah21]

I've been using swivel #3 since I started(about 2 weeks) and I love it. I thought I'd try #5 but it was actually more noisy. I did notice that it was much harder to control the bag with the #5. I also tried this platinum swivel from title but didn't like it as much as the ringside super swivel.

[jason_m_amy]

When I was a little kid (10-12) my dad set a speed bag up for me, and I realized at that age how fun it was and taught myself the basic rhythm (not sure, but I think the setup got thrown away after the bag popped).

Fast forward 30 years - I recently bought a platform, bag+swivel combo to keep my upper body in shape for surfing when in the off-season and motox (and to re-live the fun I had as a kid!). After a few weeks of FCP and FSP I researched for some new techniques on the internet (I thought all there was to the speed bag was the basic rhythm) and found Alan's (aka the Michael Jordan of the speed bag) speed bag bible and DVD (I could go on for hours about how excellent that book+DVD is - thanks for putting it together Alan and doing an excellent job! I am in the process of converting some of my surfer friends into getting the same speed bag setup as it is the closest thing to simulating 'paddling out' on a surfboard). So after 6 months I have gone nuts, buying gloves, swivels, bags, wraps... Anyways, to the swivels:

Currently I have the #2, #3, #5 and #6 swivels. The #5 came with my setup, after 5 min of use it came apart (as everyone else has described), so just assuming it was plastic and junk I threw it away. I thought I'd 'upgrade' to #2 thinking it would be quieter than the #5, but after a month or so it got noisier! It was ok, but sometimes got messed up when changing angles (not as bad as the number #3) and was a PAIN when changing bags (chain link is tricky to get off - any ideas anyone on that?), and sometimes I like to change to a different bag frequently to mix it up.

So then today I get the #3 and put it on the platform. Right away things didn't look good - it hangs lower, so given that the speed bag is a pendulum, the period of the pendulum (how long for a rebound) is related to the length (distance from platform to bottom of bag) with all other things being equal (like force bag was hit with, etc). I thought, no problem, later on I'll drill out a hole and put the #3 on top of the platform and stick thru the bottom to reduce the length from platform to bottom of bag. I thought I'd have a much quieter setup with the #3 (that is one of my my concerns - I like to hear the bag and music as much as possible, no metal clanging). For sure it is quieter, but MAN, the thing SUCKS when hitting it and changing directions! If I hit with the basic rhythm it's great (although like the previous poster mentioned - will most likely wear the bag on the 2 given sides as it only works in 1 plane well), and 'floats' around. Once I throw and ODES or OTES or side punch or anything other than the basic pattern, it flies around, or gets messed up. I zip tied it, taped it, tried different things, all that seemed to do was slow it down (I have 6-7 bags, the smaller ones seem a little better). It sucks because I paid for shipping, and to return it will be more shipping, not really making it worth returning (say to save $5). I could see in a gym if 99% of the users are doing the basic rhythm this would be a great swivel (+ easy to change bags).

Anyways, I may go out and buy a plastic swivel (#5) tomorrow and give that a shot again after reading the posts on this site (stupid me, threw the first one out, out of anger). I like the #6, but it is very, very, very noisy! The bags also popped off a lot, but I think someone had a great comment about using the zip ties to solve that.

The good thing from all of this is given that the #3 is lower, I realized that my setup was just a little too high for me! I could throw my inward elbow strikes much easier an inch lower with more accuracy! It's really hard to imagine that given this day and age, it's THAT difficult for these manufacturers to come up with a decent swivel!?

[Kevdawg0324]

there is not a combo out there that i can do with the ball hook(5 and 6) that i cant do with my super swivel(3). i actually like number 3 better than 5 and 6. i also think too much emphasis is placed on the swivel. thats just my opinion.

[Chris M]

there is not a combo out there that i can do with the ball hook(5 and 6) that i cant do with my super swivel(3). i actually like number 3 better than 5 and 6. i also think too much emphasis is placed on the swivel. thats just my opinion.

I agree Kevdawg, I've noticed the same thing. It did take a little bit of adjustment, and now that I"ve been using my #3 on my indoors unit, I'm interested to see how much of an adjustment it will be going to my # 6 I have on my outdoors unit when I start using it in April when the weather changes up here. I do almost all of my speed bagging outdoors during Spring through Fall.

Jason_m_amy, I noticed that using tape keeps the bag from floating around the best and it's the quickest. I find that I can reuse my tape at least twice, sometimes 3 or 4 times depending on how dirty I get the tape. It does take a little adjustment, but I can do anything on my #3 that I can on my #6.

[SpeedBagSkunk]

i would say 1, 3, and 6 i also enjoy the plastic swivel as well but rather the noise of metal!

[jason_m_amy]

Jason_m_amy, I noticed that using tape keeps the bag from floating around the best and it's the quickest. I find that I can reuse my tape at least twice, sometimes 3 or 4 times depending on how dirty I get the tape. It does take a little adjustment, but I can do anything on my #3 that I can on my #6.

So you tape the bag loop to the U-shaped bar? Do you give the bag loop a little slack to 'swing'? I was thinking of putting a zip tie+plastic washer on each side of the bag loop to allow for it to swing completely free, yet not ride up the U bar and float.

I zip tied it, helped the floating a little bit, but I noticed that the bag was always hitting the platform on the exact same sides of the bag. Do you notice any unusual wear on the bags after several months of use?

Thanks, Jason

[Chris M]

Since a picture is worth a thousand words...

46

To answer your question, yes, the bag does always hit on the same two sides, but I haven't noticed any unusual wear whatsoever. I do hit from all sides, but obviously it doesn't affect the wear on the bag.

[Chris M]

47Here's another picture that is probably a little clearer.

Since I've reused this piece of tape several times, it's come a little unstuck on the end, but it still works just fine.

It's just plain old electrical tape that I bought from the bargain bin at the hardware store. I guess people don't like buying white electrical tape because they had a bunch of them in the bin really cheap.

[Chris]

Is there any difference from swivel 3 and the everlast swivel that looks very similar?

[Kyle]

which everlast swivel put a link on there for us?
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[Kevdawg0324]

if its the swivel i think your talking about then yes and no. the everlast hook is a little longer and the whole swivel is chromed. the ringside is stainless with a shorter hook and much beefier looking as well. they are both the same principle but the ringside is a better quality. if it was me, i would save the extra 5 dollars and get the ringside over the everlast. i think you would be much happier.

[Chris]

Sorry, I am still a beginner when it comes to uploading pics from web-sites. The swivel Kev described is the one I have. It cost $30 on the everlast site not the $50 swivel they have. I will also upload a pic of my set up tomorrow, because I was gone from dawn to dusk today....How do I take a pic from a web-site and post it. I tried clicking on properties and pasting it on the upload site but it says invalid....Thanks for the help.

[Chris]

Here it is...http://store.everlastboxing.com/everlast-deluxe-pro-swivel.html

[Speedbag]

Today I changed out my trusty metal ballhook swivel and put on the plastic ballhook model (#5 in Survey).

I gotta say the action was great and it was very quiet. Amazingly quiet, actually. No metallic "clang" which was becoming annoying to listen to. I used to like the louder sound, but the metal ballhooks over the last few years seemed to change metal to lighter, probably cheaper grades of metal, and the sound changed also, to a higher, more noticeable "chanck" sound. It was getting on my nerves.

I still have a couple of most faithful and seasoned ballhooks from back in the late 1970's, early 1980's - and the parts are definitely a different metallic look and feel. They have different shapes also. The rod and eyehook (the part that goes up into the ball) is noticeably changed, with a slightly smaller eyehook. (this is the piece the actual "S" hook goes into). This smaller eyehook allows the bar to sink deeper into the ball. In fact, the eyehook itself ( instead of the metal bar) connects to the metal housing around the edge. This makes the whole thing slightly shorter, and reduces the length of the rebound arc - adding a pinch of speed. It also has a noticeable different tone to the metal parts hitting.

But I retired those swivels to my own hall of fame for the housings are bashed almost flat.

I'm going to leave this plastic one up for a while and see how it holds up.

Since I'm only hitting about half speed for short periods of time, I think it should hold up. Haven't glued the bar in yet, but I've got about 10 of these plastic ones, so I can do that if I have to.

I may post a video using it, just for kicks.

[Chris]

Speedbag...How do compare swivel #3 and #5 as far as noise and speed? Also what brand bag do you prefer for speed and overall performance? Thanks...Chris.

[Speedbag]

Speedbag...How do compare swivel #3 and #5 as far as noise and speed? Also what brand bag do you prefer for speed and overall performance? Thanks...Chris.

As far as noise I would say they are equal. As far as speed, I'm not really sure yet, for I'm NOT hitting all out. I can't put that much force on my left shoulder yet, so I'm only going a little more than half speed on a mid size 9x6 bag. I can tell you there will be a difference in control. I am really biased to a ballhook action over that of the super swivel #3. I guess it is what you learn on (actually, I learned on a chainlink style..) but I never have to worry about the bag rebound with a ballhook. I just don't have that much confidence in any other swivel style. They mess with the rebound.

Bags I'm not so picky about. I can tell you, Ringside, Title and Everlast have some great bags. I hit Tufwear and Everlast for my first 15 years. Never knew there was anything else. I've still got a few of my vintage Everlast 4200's. Then I got into Ringside bags, and really like them. when they changed to the narrow, longer style - I started using Title bags, and really like them also. Right now I'm hitting the Title Red 9x6. I also like the top contender bags.

Basically, if it is a uniform teardrop leather bag, I can go with it.

[Chris]

Being a beginner I know I would not be improving as fast as I am without first the speed bag central site and second this web-site. Thanks for being so informative and not making the newbies feel worried about asking a stupid question and being ridiculed. I look forward to reading the speed bag bible. Keep up the good work....Thanks again...Chris.

[Speedbag]

Being a beginner I know I would not be improving as fast as I am without first the speed bag central site and second this web-site. Thanks for being so informative and not making the newbies feel worried about asking a stupid question and being ridiculed. I look forward to reading the speed bag bible. Keep up the good work....Thanks again...Chris.

We were all beginners once. NO Question is stupid if you don't know the answer. Ridicule is a poor teaching stye that never worked with me, so I doubt it works for anyone else. Our abilities on the speed bag are secondary to our respect and concern for each other as people. Here we should suspend our Ego's and help each other. I really want YOU, and everyone else, to learn how to do this. This is a great forum and allows those from all levels of life and speed bag knowledge to share. Please don't ever be afraid to ask a question. If I don't know the answer, or if I can't run up to my bag and try to figure it out, then I'll find someone who can.

[Kevdawg0324]

well said "speedbag". i look forward to your video with the plastic swivel if you choose to record it. as for you chris, i like to think that the #3 swivel is noticably faster. i feel like there is less effort to hit the bag to get it going at the speed i like. if it wasnt faster, i would have stayed with the plastic ballhook for it is almost as quiet, more forgiving, cheaper and easier to find than #3. #3 has a tendency to only want to accept "square" hits. at the same time, i think #3 made me better, faster. that could just be me though. happy speedbagging:)

[Speedbag]

well said "speedbag". i look forward to your video with the plastic swivel if you choose to record it. as for you chris, i like to think that the #3 swivel is noticably faster. i feel like there is less effort to hit the bag to get it going at the speed i like. if it wasnt faster, i would have stayed with the plastic ballhook for it is almost as quiet, more forgiving, cheaper and easier to find than #3. #3 has a tendency to only want to accept "square" hits. at the same time, i think #3 made me better, faster. that could just be me though. happy speedbagging:)

You're right, Kev. The #3 is harder to maintain control. It is NOT a very forgiving swivel and slight mis-hits (we all do them) will cause more problems than other swivels. Although it is fast and quiet, It only accepts direction change with a square hit. AND it doesn't do well with slow punching. At least not for me. I mentioned I put up a plastic ballhook. that was not my first choice. I have several models of the "speed swivel" #3. I original changed my metal ballhook to these models (for the quietness). I taped the bags to the bar to maintain center position and tried to hit at slow speeds, which is all I can do at the moment. It was very frustrating to say the least. I have hit these swivels in the past, and my "normal" hitting speed was much harder and faster than I'm using now. Attempting to purposely hit slower right now was very difficult on these swivels and frankly made my shoulder hurt more. I change to the plastic ballhook, which may actually be a slower swivel, and it is working out for me much better.

Swivel choice, like bag choice, is personal. I don't think any one person can say what swivel is "faster" or "better" than any other swivel, for we all punch at different speeds with different styles. It is always relative to the user.

[jaguiler]

I have my plastic swivel that I got with my Everlast set -

it is good to hear that Speedbag can use this and the positive things about it... I was about to toss it and get a Super one..... I guess I should concerntrate more on my skills and not the swivel type.... seems like all can generate the speed and skill I am looking for ...

I think Billy Mack or Skunk has a video out there with a plastic swivel - looked pretty fast to me.... :)

I lubed mine up and it feels great and quiter as well.

[Speedbag]

... I guess I should concerntrate more on my skills and not the swivel type.... seems like all can generate the speed and skill I am looking for ...

Absolutely! ALL the swivels are utlimately much fast than we can punch. You can punch it as hard as you want, and a decent martial arts hook kick will make the bag go much faster initially. Of course the friction relationship between the parts can come into play at some point.

To me, the issue always come back to control. I'd rather use a swivel that turns all control over to Me, and not its internal mechanics. For that, (IMO) nothing beats a ballhook.

[Kevdawg0324]

i can certainly control a ballhook easier than my super swivel. but i just prefer my super swivel over the ballhook. to each, their own.

[Chris]

I have an everlast delux pro swivel that is similar to #3 and I like it. I hit an 8"x5" everlast bag. Today I bought the plastic ballhook. I am still pretty new so I am just learning elbows and reverse puching combos. When I hung it up today I thought I got ten times better instantly on my new combos I am learning. I still like the pro swivel better but it is a lot easier to hit the ballhook slower and learn the combo. I just like to be able to hit the pro swivel faster.

[Kevdawg0324]

same with me

[riqal]

You should try the everlast chain link swivel. I have this swivel and I also have a chain link swivel that I bought from ringside. I did not like the ringside swivel. It was longer, thus slower. The everlast chain link swivel works very well in all directions/planes and it is fast.

[Johnny Pal]

#3 and #6 are the only ones I would recommend.

My favorite is the old reliable #6, but alas is discontinued.

I too tried to purchase 5 of them, and received the plastic ones instead, which I have not used yet.

#3 is fast and quiet, but needs to have the bag securely taped to the middle of the bar so it won't slide or float up off the bar, which cause a drastic speed drop (no friction. the bag is "floating", not rebounding). Without taping the bag, you may find yourself "missing" and starting over a lot more than normal.

I am probably one of the wildest punchers around. An old gym rat from yesteryear but with all skills intact. I've pissed off Tommy Hearns who looked like s--t on the speedbag in a filmed pre-fight hoopla at Marty Denkin's old gym in LA - actually Marty asked me to fire it up. Blew away 5 former great Mexican champions working the bags at a celebration at the old Main street gym and impressed the trunks off Mohammed Ali at the old Main Street gym several years back. He screamed at the top of his lungs he loved it so much. Was also sports star of the week on Channel 13 in LA (a few decades ago) and on Television in Hawaii about 15 years ago. The only swivel that stood up under the multi-angled and speedburst attacks was the old Everlast S-Hook. It has been my mainstay for over 40 years. The chain link and the Tijuana swivel styles like #2 and 3 kinda got in the ballpark but could not handle multi angled crazy stuff. But even the S Hook has its limits and is noisy since the post hits the edge of the swivel cup before it hits the board. I held out that the swivel from Australia (Jim somebody) would be a winner but its only good for straight on punching as it goes into a tailspin when you wanna crank it up from different angles. Still waiting for the noiseless versatile swivel. Just purchased No. 3 above because I saw a bagger on YouTube using one and it seemed fairly flexible. Will report back later. My apologies for the long bragging thing and don't mean to blow my horn, but just wanted to set the background for what is probably da best swivel from a guy who has been punching since the 1950's.

[Tim]

I held out that the swivel from Australia (Jim somebody) would be a winner but its only good for straight on punching as it goes into a tailspin when you wanna crank it up from different angles.

Hi Johnny,
would that be this model?

http://www.jimbradley.com.au/html/s13_shopping/view_product.asp?id=3310&nav_cat_id=5&nav_top_id=Shop2

But even the S Hook has its limits and is noisy since the post hits the edge of the swivel cup before it hits the board.

Have you tried the #5 (plastic version of the everlast S hook)? I haven't but I suppose it would minimize that clanking sound.

[Speedbag]

...Have you tried the #5 (plastic version of the everlast S hook)? I haven't but I suppose it would minimize that clanking sound.

Yes, I have found the Plastic ball and housing to be much quieter than it's metal brothers.

[juanantoniomartin]

I have used the 2,5 and then the 6. I like the 6 the best. The 5 is great also it just lacks the excellent sound of the six. As my boy said when we got the # 6 type....It sounds "cool". As for the #5 unscrewing, superglue the threads then pool a bit of super glue on top of the ball and dust it with baking soda. The chemical reaction will bond it securely. Do not use GEL type glue just regular. Be very careful not to get any glue and baking soda combo on your skin as the together they can burn your skin....hence the great bond.

[Speedbag]

I have used the 2,5 and then the 6. I like the 6 the best. The 5 is great also it just lacks the excellent sound of the six. As my boy said when we got the # 6 type....It sounds "cool". As for the #5 unscrewing, superglue the threads then pool a bit of super glue on top of the ball and dust it with baking soda. The chemical reaction will bond it securely. Do not use GEL type glue just regular. Be very careful not to get any glue and baking soda combo on your skin as the together they can burn your skin....hence the great bond.

Baking Soda to help hold a swivel together? :confused:

Geez, Looks like MacGyver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver#MacGyver) has finally discovered the speed bag. Gotta love that!

[Johnny Pal]

Hi Johnny,
would that be this model?

http://www.jimbradley.com.au/html/s13_shopping/view_product.asp?id=3310&nav_cat_id=5&nav_top_id=Shop2



Have you tried the #5 (plastic version of the everlast S hook)? I haven't but I suppose it would minimize that clanking sound.


Thanks Tim - that would be it. Jim Bradley. Unfortunately I've used the new plastic one. Was so excited when I found it but equally disappointed after use. Too long and comes apart. With some toying, it has possibilities though. Thanks for da comments brah!.

[juanantoniomartin]

I know it sounds crazy but for repairing plastic parts the baking soda superglue works. It can be built up in layers sanded and even painted. I'm no chemical guinness;) but I sure works good.

[Johnny Pal]

#3 and #6 are the only ones I would recommend.

My favorite is the old reliable #6, but alas is discontinued.

I too tried to purchase 5 of them, and received the plastic ones instead, which I have not used yet.

#3 is fast and quiet, but needs to have the bag securely taped to the middle of the bar so it won't slide or float up off the bar, which cause a drastic speed drop (no friction. the bag is "floating", not rebounding). Without taping the bag, you may find yourself "missing" and starting over a lot more than normal.

Yo, yo - just got #3 in da mail and hung it up. Dat sucka jams guud. Quiet and stable. Didn't experience the jumping around thing. Admittedly though, I have not yet had the time to give it the full Monty. But dang, I was impressed with the way it held up punching an old beat up Reyes bag. Get back later after can give it the acid test. Did find, however, had a problem executing my patented "gravity roll", an original routine, with some work, it eventually worked fair. More info later.
Johnny Pal

[ukspeedbag]

I got the #3(Deluxe Pro Swivel) from Title Boxing. Although i was a little disappointed when I looked at the quality of the D shackle. Look at the pics.
The fitting of the pin was crap, it's noisy and already after one month the chrome on the pin has worn. Hmm! They say it's triple chromed.:confused: So today i made a new one and now it's silent, just what i wanted. Now i love it!:D

[riqal]

it seems like the #3 would have the same problems as the chainlink. Try the everlast chainlink. I tried it and it is better than the ringside chainlink swivel.

[andy302]

hi ive got 4 im in the uk no wonder nobody voted for it i didnt and ive got one lol the only way to get a good swivel is to order it from the usa i just orded the super swivel 3 from title and im thinking of getting the everlast plastic ball hook theres no suppliers in the uk that stockes good swivels think ill have to emergrate to usa :D

[fingers]

Ime in UK too i ordered swivel 3 from title!! few probs to start with but now sorted great swivel (thanks uk speedbag) no good swivels available in UK:mad:

[andy302]

think maybe the swivels in the uk would be ok for a beginner but apart from that there just not good just wondering what probs did you have when you first got your title deluxe pro swivel and how did you cure it?

[fingers]

When i first got it the barrel part was crooked! so being the heavy handed bloke i am i hit it with a lump hammer!!! then i tightened the big nut in the top this sorted it out and been great ever since.

[andy302]

thanks mate

[fingers]

i am probably one of the wildest punchers around. An old gym rat from yesteryear but with all skills intact. I've pissed off tommy hearns who looked like s--t on the speedbag in a filmed pre-fight hoopla at marty denkin's old gym in la - actually marty asked me to fire it up. Blew away 5 former great mexican champions working the bags at a celebration at the old main street gym and impressed the trunks off mohammed ali at the old main street gym several years back. He screamed at the top of his lungs he loved it so much. Was also sports star of the week on channel 13 in la (a few decades ago) and on television in hawaii about 15 years ago. The only swivel that stood up under the multi-angled and speedburst attacks was the old everlast s-hook. It has been my mainstay for over 40 years. The chain link and the tijuana swivel styles like #2 and 3 kinda got in the ballpark but could not handle multi angled crazy stuff. But even the s hook has its limits and is noisy since the post hits the edge of the swivel cup before it hits the board. I held out that the swivel from australia (jim somebody) would be a winner but its only good for straight on punching as it goes into a tailspin when you wanna crank it up from different angles. Still waiting for the noiseless versatile swivel. Just purchased no. 3 above because i saw a bagger on youtube using one and it seemed fairly flexible. Will report back later. My apologies for the long bragging thing and don't mean to blow my horn, but just wanted to set the background for what is probably da best swivel from a guy who has been punching since the 1950's.respect!!!!!