Alternating 4 way out/in elbow strike

[Tim]

I've been trying to work the 4 way out/in elbow into a combination with some other techniques

http://www.speedbagforum.com/movies/tim-20061105.wmv

As always, feedback is welcome from anyone who cares to comment.

[Chris M]

I replied to this post yesterday and I must have done something wrong because it's not there.

Your technique looks good to me, not that I'm an expert by any means. What I do notice is that your board looks dead, and by that I mean that it seems that it doesn't look like you could get more than one or two rebounds on that board. I can see your whole setup shaking which is probably using up some of the energy of the bag.

My opinion is that you could go to new levels with a sturdier platform.

[Tim]

I replied to this post yesterday and I must have done something wrong because it's not there.

That's odd... I'm not aware of any problems. If it happens again to you, let me know.


What I do notice is that your board looks dead, and by that I mean that it seems that it doesn't look like you could get more than one or two rebounds on that board. I can see your whole setup shaking which is probably using up some of the energy of the bag.

You're probably right. Maybe Santa will bring me something :) Until then I've decided to make the best of what I have.

[Chris M]

That's odd... I'm not aware of any problems. If it happens again to you, let me know.

It's probably something I did. I probably hit the back button after replying without even thinking.

[Speedbag]

I agree with Chris. Your board really seems dead. You seem to be hitting very hard and the bag should be going a lot faster....

I don't see any major problems with your movement other then a weird left fist position. Your left fist appears to have the thumb upwards in your 4way, particularly when it is doing the inward motion. But the rebounds sound crisp, indicating no mis-hits, and the bag appears in control. And your 2nd arm in the 4way (left or right) appears to come from a really low position, with your hand dropping out of the bottom of the screen. I like them kept a little higher, but your timing is getting better so it does get back up when needed.

The only issue left to me is the changing of speed. You appear to be rotating between hitting "fast & slow", or "hard & easy'' rather than one consistent speed. But that is most likely due to your board.

In your underneath shot, it appears that the right side of your board is split?? or is that my imagination??

( nice F-Roll position from underneath by the way..)

[Tim]

In your underneath shot, it appears that the right side of your board is split?? or is that my imagination??


Your eyes do not deceive you. Those older everlast platforms have a 2 piece drum. The newer ones have a single piece drum.

I guess it's time to upgrade :)

[Speedbag]

Your eyes do not deceive you. Those older everlast platforms have a 2 piece drum. The newer ones have a single piece drum.

I guess it's time to upgrade :)

With your level of skill now, I think that board will really hurt your progress. It is forcing you to punch unevenly (different speeds and force) just to keep the bag going during multiple contact techniques, such as the triple and 4Way Elbow strikes. You will be surprised how much easier it will all be on a quality board.

[Tim]

II don't see any major problems with your movement other then a weird left fist position. Your left fist appears to have the thumb upwards in your 4way, particularly when it is doing the inward motion.

As opposed to having the fist sideways? (i.e. thumb pointed towards my face - if it wasn't tucked in). I've always thrown hooks like that , thumb up... guess I never really thought about it. It feels natural to me.

[Speedbag]

As opposed to having the fist sideways? (i.e. thumb pointed towards my face - if it wasn't tucked in). I've always thrown hooks like that , thumb up... guess I never really thought about it. It feels natural to me.

the "thumb up" position is not wrong on a hook punch, just a variation. But that fist position for an inward elbow strike ( As in the "inward Double Elbow" or the second arm of the O-I 4Way Elbow strike) seems to make it difficult for the following Elbow of the same arm. to me, anyway, the thumb up position makes the bag hit my forearm muscle more than the bone of the elbow. With the thumb up the arm bones twist and cross, bringing the top of the forearm muscle area down for the contact surface.

It just looks wierd for the outward fist (of the first arm) has the palm down, followed by the second (lead) fist in the thumb up position. Of course, if it works for you than there is nothing really wrong with it.

[Tim]

... seems to make it difficult for the following Elbow of the same arm.

I'll try it the other way and see how it goes :)