Double end bag Shapes

[Title Fight]

I am thinking of adding a double end bag to my home gym, never used one before. I am just wondering if i should get the spherical shape double end bags or the speedbag shaped ones. Which one do you prefer? and is there much of a difference between hitting one or the other?

Sphere shape (http://i28.tinypic.com/24d50zl.jpg)

Speedbag shape (http://i27.tinypic.com/35j9gtt.jpg)

Thanks!

[Kyle]

I am thinking of adding a double end bag to my home gym, never used one before. I am just wondering if i should get the spherical shape double end bags or the speedbag shaped ones. Which one do you prefer? and is there much of a difference between hitting one or the other?

Sphere shape (http://i28.tinypic.com/24d50zl.jpg)

Speedbag shape (http://i27.tinypic.com/35j9gtt.jpg)

Thanks!

ive only used the sphere and i like it so i can recommend it
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[Title Fight]

Three things to consider, style, size, and design.

Let's talk about style first. There are three styles to choose from (not including the double-double ends bags or double double end bags which I find move either too slow or too awkwardly to be effective), I'll call them ball (or sphere), single teardrop (speedbag style), and double teardrop (starts skinny at the top, becomes fat in the middle, ends skinny at the bottom, sort of a "dual teardrop")

My personal favorite is the double teardrop, it moves fast like the single teardrop but its' symmetry allows for better hitting and a less arc'ed (read more straight) movement. However these bags are hard to find and none of the US-based distributors carry them. The attached pic is one from a company I never heard of.

The ball is what I use because the rebound is straight, and nicely allows for uppercuts.

I don't like the single teardrop style because it's not symmetrical, it tends to move in an arc'ed fashion (bigger at the bottom) and doesn't hit well due to the lack of symmetry.

Now let's talk about size. The smallest would be 5" and they go up to about 9" (excluding the jumbo balls which I don't find useful). I like using 6" or 7" bags with a preference for 6". 5" and 6" are ok if you're using small or no gloves, 6" or 7" are ok to use 10 or 12 oz gloves.

As far as design, one thing to point out is that the straps can be either short (see Tuf Wear pic) or long (see Everlast pic). This doesn't matter much if using gloves, however if using bare hands and you have a short strap, if you miss, it can be uncomfortable to hit the S-Hook or whatever is used to secure the cable to the loop. In that case just wrap a sponge or other padding around the area.

I find that the Tuf Wear and Everlast are better crafted than the Ringside and Title. Personally I use a Tuf-Wear 7" ball and forget having to replace the bladder, I barely have to pump it up more than once/year! However with that said, if I were to make a recommendation I'd go with the Everlast since the longer straps allow you to hit either bare hand or gloved "out of the box"

All the above is just my humble opinion, others may disagree and are free to weigh in

Wow, thats some great info right there, much appreciated!

I'll go with the Everlast 7'' Bag (http://store.titleboxing.com/titleboxing-everlast-double-end-bags.html)

Thanks again!

[Tim]

Three things to consider, style, size, and design.

Let's talk about style first.....

Agreed, great post. Next time I do a big title order I'm going to pick up a DE bag. I've got a cheapie, probably a nine inch, but want something smaller.

[atgatt]

+1 for the TUF-WEAR 7" double end bag. I just love hitting that bag compared to the Title 7". It just feels right and holds air so much better. Great leather and bladder.

I also have the Everlast 9" that has metal to clip on to both upper and lower parts of the bag. What I like about it is that the extra weight really makes it come back at you and you feel the harder hits.

Both are well made but if I had to do it all over again, everything would be TUF-WEAR. They are one "TUF" bag.

[Title Fight]

I changed my mind at the last minute and ended up getting the Tuff Wear 9'' bag. I am very impressed with the quality of the bag and it feels great to hit it.

I attached the nylon strap on top and the bungee cord on the bottom and left it pretty loose so that it moves a lot.

It's pretty challenging to get my rhythm going on it, so far i can only throw a few punches at a time but i bet i'll get better with it in time.

I really like this forum, thanks again for all the help.

[atgatt]

Title Fight, you may want to try something I did to my double end bag setup. I made a rectangular wood frame about 6 inches wide and 3 feet long that sits about 6 inches above the bag, this way the bag comes back at me all the time when I hit in front of the 6 inch wide part of the frame. Or if I hit from the side enough, it causes the bag to rapidly go side to side making me focus on hitting it straight on the next punch as if a head was bobbing side to side.

Sure, I could hit the back straight without the frame, but it is not realistic hitting. I want to hit straight but also hit the bag doing a side hook as it comes at me, or I may hit the bag straight by hitting the side of the bag. Punches hitting the side of the face also jerk the head to the side and pull back the skin. Not all affective punches have to be right in the center of the face so why practice that way?

I put bungee cords upper and lower and barely have them taut. Gives a better straight line plus gives better when doing upper cuts or punching downwards.

[metaldad]

Title Fight, you may want to try something I did to my double end bag setup. I made a rectangular wood frame about 6 inches wide and 3 feet long that sits about 6 inches above the bag, this way the bag comes back at me all the time when I hit in front of the 6 inch wide part of the frame. Or if I hit from the side enough, it causes the bag to rapidly go side to side making me focus on hitting it straight on the next punch as if a head was bobbing side to side.

Sure, I could hit the back straight without the frame, but it is not realistic hitting. I want to hit straight but also hit the bag doing a side hook as it comes at me, or I may hit the bag straight by hitting the side of the bag. Punches hitting the side of the face also jerk the head to the side and pull back the skin. Not all affective punches have to be right in the center of the face so why practice that way?

I put bungee cords upper and lower and barely have them taut. Gives a better straight line plus gives better when doing upper cuts or punching downwards. Hey atgatt, any chance of you posting a picture of the setup with the wood frame? I'm curious as to how it actually looks and works. I also use bungees on top and bottom.Not sure if I have the right height though. I think mine is a 9" and I have it set about face high.

Three things to consider, style, size, and design.

Let's talk about style first. There are three styles to choose from (not including the double-double ends bags or double double end bags which I find move either too slow or too awkwardly to be effective), I'll call them ball (or sphere), single teardrop (speedbag style), and double teardrop (starts skinny at the top, becomes fat in the middle, ends skinny at the bottom, sort of a "dual teardrop")

My personal favorite is the double teardrop, it moves fast like the single teardrop but its' symmetry allows for better hitting and a less arc'ed (read more straight) movement. However these bags are hard to find and none of the US-based distributors carry them. The attached pic is one from a company I never heard of.

The ball is what I use because the rebound is straight, and nicely allows for uppercuts.

I don't like the single teardrop style because it's not symmetrical, it tends to move in an arc'ed fashion (bigger at the bottom) and doesn't hit well due to the lack of symmetry.

Now let's talk about size. The smallest would be 5" and they go up to about 9" (excluding the jumbo balls which I don't find useful). I like using 6" or 7" bags with a preference for 6". 5" and 6" are ok if you're using small or no gloves, 6" or 7" are ok to use 10 or 12 oz gloves.

As far as design, one thing to point out is that the straps can be either short (see Tuf Wear pic) or long (see Everlast pic). This doesn't matter much if using gloves, however if using bare hands and you have a short strap, if you miss, it can be uncomfortable to hit the S-Hook or whatever is used to secure the cable to the loop. In that case just wrap a sponge or other padding around the area.

I find that the Tuf Wear and Everlast are better crafted than the Ringside and Title. Personally I use a Tuf-Wear 7" ball and forget having to replace the bladder, I barely have to pump it up more than once/year! However with that said, if I were to make a recommendation I'd go with the Everlast since the longer straps allow you to hit either bare hand or gloved "out of the box"

All the above is just my humble opinion, others may disagree and are free to weigh in MelloYellow any chance of you posting a training vid on the DE bag?

[Title Fight]

Hey atgatt, any chance of you posting a picture of the setup with the wood frame? I'm curious as to how it actually looks and works.

I second that, I would love to see how it looks if possible atgatt.

[atgatt]

Excuse the bad pics.

The reason for the Velcro around the upper cord is to prevent the cord from fraying as it rubs against the frame, this way the cord last a long time.

[atgatt]

Sorry, but for some reason it won't attach the pics and I don't have the time now to figure out why.

[Kyle]

Hey atgatt, any chance of you posting a picture of the setup with the wood frame?

my DE frame is also made out of wood on the bottom if your interested?
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[crawforde]

I do not quite get the DE frame thing, but I am curious. Pics would be nice if possible, I am having trouble picturing how it works.
After reading Mellow's great review I thought that the double teardrop bag that he liked had the same shape as an American football. I picked up a kid sized football at a garage sale for $0.25 and stretched some panty hose over it. I used two legs, then wrapped the ball in duct tape, I went about 2 inches off the ends onto the twisted hose (leave access for the valve). I tied the ends of the panty hose to bungee cords. It is much faster than my 9" ball and swings nicely. I like it so much I have it hung at head level and have flipped the 9" ball over and use it at body punch height. I have not had it that long but it seems to be holding up fine so far, and you can't beat the price.

[crawforde]

I am sure whatever you put together will be great.

[metaldad]

Sorry, but for some reason it won't attach the pics and I don't have the time now to figure out why. No worries....if you can you can, if not, thank you anyway.

my DE frame is also made out of wood on the bottom if your interested? Sure that would be cool

Metaldad, let me see if I can put something together. What are you mainly interested in getting out of it? My main interest is proper technique. I don't have a trainer so I'm picking whatever I can from watching others, and like Crawforde wrote, I'm sure anything that you could put up will be fine. Thanks MelloYello

[atgatt]

Speedbag told me what the problem was that the size of the pics were too large and I just lowered the quality rating on my camera so now it loads.

Sorry about the delay.

[Title Fight]

atgatt, that looks pretty cool, i am going to get working on one and see how it goes.

Thanks for sharing!

[atgatt]

Title Fight, FYI, the DE bag de-attaches quickly so when I'm done with it, I just lay the bag on top of the frame and slide the weight I have (to anchor the bottom cord) and the bottom cord against the wall. Then it is out of the way when not used and I just walk under the frame since it is above my head.

You'll love being able to combine timing left and right hooks as the bag comes at you without fear of the bag going all over the place when you had no frame.

[metaldad]

atgatt, thanks for shairng the pics. Very interesting setup, and you say it breaks down quick and easy. Nice. I don't know if I'm gonna try it; my DE bag is more towards the middle of the area where I use it. I'll have to post a pic.

[metaldad]

video for metaldad, hope this helps:

Absolutely!! Thank you for sharing MelloYello!:D

[Speedbag]

Nicely done! excellent video. keep 'em coming.

[tonyr0406]

Has any tried this bag. I saw it on ebay when looking for a double-end bag. It looks interesting.

Anyone have experience or an idea of whether or not this would be useful?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150363348124&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://www.tko.com/store/pc/item-details.asp?idcategory=17&idproduct=370

[atgatt]

Tony, no experience with it, but my guess is your not going to get a good "send off" when you hit it because it's foam.

I think of a speedbag made of foam just being limp in comparison. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd stick with air filled.

But if you're looking for a target just to hit without too much movement, then foam may be better.

[tonyr0406]

Tony, no experience with it, but my guess is your not going to get a good "send off" when you hit it because it's foam.

I think of a speedbag made of foam just being limp in comparison. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd stick with air filled.

But if you're looking for a target just to hit without too much movement, then foam may be better.

Good point... I didn't think about that. I was more concerned with the shape.

[Kyle]

Has any tried this bag. I saw it on ebay when looking for a double-end bag. It looks interesting.

Anyone have experience or an idea of whether or not this would be useful?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150363348124&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://www.tko.com/store/pc/item-details.asp?idcategory=17&idproduct=370

my uncle has and everlast one exactly like that and to say the least it sucks alot! slow little movement and just not a good buy.
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[metaldad]

Has any tried this bag. I saw it on ebay when looking for a double-end bag. It looks interesting.

Anyone have experience or an idea of whether or not this would be useful?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150363348124&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://www.tko.com/store/pc/item-details.asp?idcategory=17&idproduct=370 I've seen it but didn't think much of it. Something about it doesn't seem to make sense.

video for metaldad, hope this helps:

tfT2wHF_L6o Thanks again for posting the video MelloYello. I was thinking the other day while hitting the De bag...footwork. I try to remember some basic lessons a friend once showed me; pivoting on your lead foot, stay on the balls of your feet, shifting. Any advice you add on the topic of footwork and the DE bag?

[crawforde]

Thanks for the video MelloYello, nice job.

[Tim]

Great vid. I'm now subscribed to future youtube updates :cool:

[doublefist]

I see an Everlast double end on http://www.ringside.com/Everlast-Professional-Double-End-Speed-Bag/productinfo/EVLDEB/

as well as on Title
http://store.titleboxing.com/titleboxing-everlast-double-end-bags.htmlI

Is there any difference in quality on these bags. Or is this a matter of color and $10?

I currently speed bag and heavy bag. I am looking at moving into double end now as well. Home gym. Any direction would be much appreciated. I don't mind the 10 dollars if it is going to be worth it. Thanks

[doublefist]

Do you recommend the 7 or 9 inch Tuf- Wear? I will be using a variety of gloves. Large, small, and none. I am also a beginner to the double end bag. I originally was looking at the everlast due to your recommendation in a previous post. Do you know if the cables come with the Tuf- wear bag or do you have to purchase separate? I see most double ends come with the cables. Being a beginner, the Tuf-wear has shorter straps on each end of the ball whereas the everlast has longer. Which provides a better return? Or are the longer straps meant to save the knuckles of beginners? :eek: Either way, I am looking for a bag that will get me started but not be obsolete within to short of time. Do you use more than 1 size like in speed bagging or pretty much stick with one size?

I see you use tuf-wear speedbag along with a pro-mex. I really like the 5x8 pro-mex. How would you rate the tuf-wear 5x8. How are tuf-wear speed bags in general in comparison to pro-mex?

Your time and thoughts are much appreciated.

[doublefist]

Thanks Mellow Yellow. I am going to order the Tuf-Wear 7 inch tomorrow morning. Anything in particular to use to cover the S hooks? The rubber cables you refer to vs the bungee. Would one of the following be worth getting along with this tuf-wear bag? I realize you said the tuf wear will come with bungee, but would either of the following be worth purchasing. As always, your opinion and information is greatly appreciated.

http://store.titleboxing.com/double-end-bag-kit.html

or

http://store.titleboxing.com/professional-double-end-bag-kit.html

I think once I find that out I am set to start double end bagging.

[doublefist]

Thanks again Mellow Yellow. I can't wait to get this all setup. You have been a great help. <)B<)Y<)<)B;)

[doublefist]

One more thing. Where do you the get the rubber cables then, to replace the bungee cables if I find I need to switch it up? Thanks

[doublefist]

I see. I misunderstood you earlier. Nylon bungee vs rubber bungee cords is what you were getting at. Thanks. Home Depot probably cheaper than Title.