my speedbag responses verrrry slooow???

[ote888]

hey guys! i've been checkin this site out for a couple of weeks already...i learned a lot from here...but then... my speedbag still wont work good....

1st i bought a TKO speedbag( since sporting shops only have this one as their brand...) so i have no choice since i really want to have speed bag for a long time ago...so i bought it

when i arrived at home i immediately work on it's platform...(i was so noobie and naive at that time.) so i really have no idea..what board to use .... i just used an ordinary wood...which widths about 1" i think... then i only use Galvanized fitting like nipples tees and elbows to set it up on my wall....

so when i tried to box it... response was very sloow and the bag does not rebound like 3-4 times.. it just swings 2 times then it's down....

so i tried to research on the internet..luckily found this forum... and saw that people are very friendly here even very simple questions or hard to understand question...people are so eager to help others..


so then after reading couple of thread... i realize that vibration might be the cause why the speedbag does not response pretty well.

so i found a very solid thick wood at the garage... they call it here "Palo tsina"(im a filipino) :o:o though it's already very thick and solid...even you slap in on to the wall..the wood wont vibrate..but then id's stick 2 of that wood to make it one and 1/2 thick and height and length was 24" (it's a square platfom not a round one )

i also found 1/4 thick angle bar at the garage and i also bought a swivel instead using a u-bolt( i dont know what's the difference between two..i just want to make sure that at this last time..it will work)

* so i attach the new swivel at the board... and the board to the welded angle bars( daaamn so heavy!! to lift it up and screw it to my wall ) so here how it looks:

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when i punch it...it really differs a lot from the old one... it does bounce back for like 4-6 times..depends on how you punch it... but then i see a lot of videos on the net and damn mine was still differs from it...mine responses verry slow... like i have to wait after the 2nd and 3rd bounce back before i punch it again... it does not like on the others that u see them keep punchin and punchin and never stops... mine was not like that :(

and im 100% sure that the platform and board was nothing to do with it...because it does not vibrate or move at all... i screwed it on the wall a lot ..and the wood was also screwed to the angle bars like 6-8 times...


GUYS!!! PLS help me!!!! i dont reallly this time what to do!! i really want to learn! pls... "FAN of manny pacquiao!! :):) ... just like you guys..and even mayweather :):)


pls help me! thanks!!!! =)

[ukspeedbag]

Welcome to the forums ote888, you've came to the right place for advice. I'll try and help but I'm sure someone else will come along and confirm my concerns with your equipment.

The platform looks great. You should consider putting a sandbag on top of the platform, even though you say there's no vibration.

Now, I have never hit a TKO bag before, my guess is that the bag is your problem. It's hard to tell what size that bag is, it looks pretty big to me, this means slower rebound. Now, that isn't a bad thing for a beginner, it's best to start out on a larger, slower bag. On the other hand, the bag may not be a good bag overall.

Hopefully someone has hit a TKO bag and can tell you a little more.

Good luck.;)

[ote888]

wow! quick response sir! =) verrry much appreciated! =) well as a beginner ..you might also right that the bag might be pretty big right?? and i have no much idea...at first on what to buy..didnt realize that there were different size and weights?? but are there any bag that also differs from its structure?? like i mean? that are all bags made from leathers??.... will it affect too?....

well i didnt also know that the bigger the bag the slower the rebound is...

cause sometimes i use to see some people here that they also use big bags??? but then has a great rebounds??? does that mean that...they are already professionals in hitting bags? that they can make the rebounds quick??


sir can you suggest? different speedbags? which often people use?? the sizes and it's weights?? so i might buying new ones..but of course i will also consider practicing in this speedbag.. as you told me that larger bags are good for beginners...sir you might also share some tips and techniques on how will i use this. since im a beginner and wants to use this bag properly...

sir very much thanks to your reply..greatly appreciate it!..hoping for more replies from you and to some other people here in this great forum..... that also might be a big help! thanks!!! :D:D:D:D:D:)

[ukspeedbag]

Your very welcome, you'll find we're all more than happy to help you.

Okay, I take it the TKO bag isn't leather? If it's a vinyl bag, they are normally slower.

If I were you, I would be looking at Everlast bags. I have no idea what is available to you in your country. The Everlast 5x8 (small) is a good bag to start with depending on your ability, other than that, go for the next size up 6x9. The faster pro bag is the Everlast 4x6 (extra small) a very fast bag and my favourite out of all my bags. What you have to remember with Everlast bags is that the size they give isn't quite right for example a 5x8 is actually closer to 6x9, a 4x6 is more like a 5x8 and so on.

What I would suggest right now, is that you find a shop that sells speed bags in your country, then post a link here so we can have a look at what your choices are.

Hang about here and you'll pick lot's of tips up. You can also subscribe to SpeedBagSkunks video's here (http://www.youtube.com/user/SpeedBagSkunk)

If you really keen then purchase The Speed Bag Bible (http://www.speedbagcentral.com/ssp/speed_bag_bible) by Alan Kahn. It's a book and DVD, a perfect tool for all baggers whether your just starting out, or a pro.

[ote888]

i really can't say whether it's a vinyl or a leather..i don't even know how to differ it (mostly they look really the same?).... but then because of it's cheapness when i bought it ..i doubt that probably it's a vinyl...

well i already found one but pretty far it's like ... 110miles from my place... that's where i bought my swivel since i can't found any in the malls or sporting goods near my place..

well they might have everlast bags there... i didnt have the chance to ask them because i already have one in my home...which i really didnt know that, that one wont work


well sir..how bout the weight? how will i choose another bag regarding their weights?? that will response very well???


thank you sir again..greatly appreciated !! :):)

[paranday]

...well i didnt also know that the bigger the bag the slower the rebound is...

cause sometimes i use to see some people here that they also use big bags??? but then has a great rebounds??? does that mean that...they are already professionals in hitting bags? that they can make the rebounds quick??...


Large size bags rebound more slowly, but a well made large bag rebounds just fine, it has no problem rebounding.

And although large bags are good for beginners, they can be enjoyed by anybody. The larger sized bags will not be as fast as the smallest bags, but large bags can be made to move very quickly and doing so is rewarding.

[ote888]

i really dont know guys.... when i found tim's collections..... all of his bags though they are small or big...they both bounce back fast... how come mine? doesn't?? like ....when i punch it..it bounces away from you then bounces on front of you..then i have to wait ...before it goes again to my front to punch it.(3 rebounds right?) ... i really thought at the first time when im using it...that it was me..who was doing the wrong thing... but then after watching couple of tutorial videos.... deeeeymn ..i really dont know... what's the problem

im screwed with this tko! it damn s*cks :confused: :D:D:D:D thanks guys for the replies

[paranday]

For what it's worth, I can get 10 rebounds from my jumbo Everlast 4205, a 13" x 10" monster. Size doesn't matter, in a manner of speaking...

[ukspeedbag]

i really can't say whether it's a vinyl or a leather..i don't even know how to differ it (mostly they look really the same?).... but then because of it's cheapness when i bought it ..i doubt that probably it's a vinyl...

well i already found one but pretty far it's like ... 110miles from my place... that's where i bought my swivel since i can't found any in the malls or sporting goods near my place..

well they might have everlast bags there... i didnt have the chance to ask them because i already have one in my home...which i really didnt know that, that one wont work


well sir..how bout the weight? how will i choose another bag regarding their weights?? that will response very well???


thank you sir again..greatly appreciated !! :):)

Don't you have an on-line shop?

About the weight, Some bags are lighter than others, stick with the bag size and you'll have nothing else to worry about. What I'm saying is, when we buy bags, we look at the size not the weight. The Everlast bags seem pretty good when it comes to weight. I have some light bags and they are very difficult to control. But, I don't want to confuse you.

Paranday is spot on! Larger bags can be as fast as some of the smaller ones, depending on the quality.

How long have you been speed bagging?

[ote888]

@ukspeedbag
well im newbie in using speedbags..that's i why i ask a lot of questions( hope you guys wont be frustrated or annoyed with my simple questions) :D:D


well because im in the Philippines...although it's possible to buy to an online shop..it would take several weeks before it arrives here ..so i would choose running on that 110 miles...

so it might probably the quality of the bag..why the hell it wont move fast.... *sigh :mad: :mad: i might consider buying a new ones....

@paranday..: it's like wow!!!.... i hope i can also have that one soon... i envy you sir! hahaha! :D:D

[ote888]

thank you again sirs!!! for your kindness and patience.... =) :):)

[ukspeedbag]

Wow! 110 miles is a long way to go for a speed bag.

Hey no problem, you just go ahead and ask anything.;)

[ukspeedbag]

Have you checked you have the right amount of air in that bag? Check this out for the correct amount of air.

http://www.speedbagforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2296

[ote888]

so does it mean..that you all agreed that the main problem was the bag??? and not anything else that relates with the bag?? am i right??


well.... actually i use to go there twice a month..so probably i'll might pass by, there to look for a new one :)

[ukspeedbag]

so does it mean..that you all agreed that the main problem was the bag??? and not anything else that relates with the bag?? am i right??


well.... actually i use to go there twice a month..so probably i'll might pass by, there to look for a new one :)

Can you make a quick video of you hitting the bag and post a link to it?

[ote888]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWfRwa8JhQY

there you go sir.... :):)

[ote888]

sir..so how do you think it is??? what might be the problem??? :):):) thanks!

[Tim]

sir..so how do you think it is??? what might be the problem??? :):):) thanks!

That's a BIG bag. It's going to take a lot of power to get it moving fast. I see nothing inherently wrong with the bag or the rebound.

However, I will comment on two things related to the platform. You are hitting it on the down swing, because the bag is so big, you ideally would move your platform up a bit. The belly (fattest part of the bag) should be at mouth level).

Also, that bag is so big, it looks like it's rebounding right on the edge of the platform. The bag is almost too big for the drum itself.

If you can, try a smaller bag. It will be quicker and work better with that particular platform, both the width of the drum and the height it is mounted.

[ote888]

well sir tim...as you see the bag...how big do you think it is?? like a 9x6 bag? like a 8x9?? or much bigger than those sizes? so i would know what size to choose ...whenever i might buy a new ones..and replace the old ones...

well actually the board was fitted with the bag..i already checked it out and it seems that the bottom part of the bag does not hit the edges of the drum at all... because the first time when i had this board it was only 20x20 inches in which i had to add 2inches more on each sides to make it 24x24... ( this is the recommended size of the board right???) and to make the bag avoid hitting the edges..


after adding up some more inches on each sides... it seems the bag was already fitted ,...but it still looks pretty big for the platform..

i dont know what to do.. should i need to add up again more inches to platform?? or this already measures right?(24"x24") it's just that my bag is too big???


thank you again for the answers..sir tim...i've been waiting for your reply here since i posted this ... good thing some fellow members also help me out with my problem :D:D:D


thanks guys!!:D:D;)

[paranday]

well sir tim...as you see the bag...how big do you think it is?? like a 9x6 bag? like a 8x9?? or much bigger than those sizes? so i would know what size to choose ...whenever i might buy a new ones..and replace the old ones...

Best to check it with a measuring tape.

I agree with Tim, the platform is too low for that bag. And I agree with UKSpeedbag, check out the videos here,

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpeedBagSkunk

With enough practice you'll be punching the bag like Manny Pacquiao and amazing all your friends. Bag on!

[ote888]

wellll daaaaaaaaaaamn sir..everybody's having a hard time measuring their speedbags! haha!! :D:D lol! =)


after seeing (mr.speedbag's) post on measuring a speedbag... as i measure it ...it is 11inches tall..13inches radius(belly) and i used a caliper to measure the bottom the speedbag in which it gave me a result of 8 inches...

so i doubt that it might be either of the two.... 11x13 or 11x8.....

after seeing sir tim's video.... his 11x8 does really response faster than the one i have.... so it might be really the poor quality of the bag... :confused::confused::mad:

i might consider buying a new one. a smaller one an 8x5?? or 6x4..either of the two... :confused:


pls keep the feedback going..pls. help me on this...on how will i get a good speedbag just like you guys have! very much welcome!! :D:D and thanks!


@sir tim: sir... i forgot to ask you.. how big your board is?? thanks sir! =)

[ukspeedbag]

I watched your video and have to agree with Tim on your punching, a fix for this would be to adjust the platform up.

Wow, that is a very big bag! 11x8 sounds about right. If your going to buy another bag than go for something smaller like 10x7 or 9x6. Watch the Skunks tutorial video's from the link I left you and get the basic hitting correct.

[MsDeville]

Welcome to the forum, ote888!

My personal trainer (over 50-years experience) is very impressed with your platform. You have good support coming from the wall down to the far corner of the drum. This should give you good stability and less vibration when hitting.

After watching your video, he noticed that the bag is too big for the platform. But, then, the platform is pretty small. An easy "fix" would be to attach a little bit larger piece of plywood to the bottom of the platform, re-attaching the swivel to it. (By the way, I love the beefy hunk of wood you used. Looks really solid.)

I'm no expert, but, I think that you're not getting a good rebound due to the fact that the bag is extending beyond the platform and slamming into the edge of it, cutting into the momentum of the bag. I'll post some images so you'll see what I'm talking about. See how the bag is extending several inches past the wood platform?

If you make a larger surface for your bag to hit against, you will also make it safer for your arms and fists, as you get into elbow strikes, etc. (I think my platform is at least 32" in diameter and it's round, with some spongy material around the edges for safety.)

As for your bag... it looks like a good one. My personal favorite workout bag is the big red Everlast bag Ta:M.

Good luck, and I look forward to seeing more videos from you!

Keep up the good workout! :)

[ukspeedbag]

Some excellent advice form MsDeville.

Here's a video from the Skunk, this is what you should be concentrating on for now as well as sorting the platform out.;)
puwdWFFZZsE

[ote888]

I watched your video and have to agree with Tim on your punching, a fix for this would be to adjust the platform up.

Wow, that is a very big bag! 11x8 sounds about right. If your going to buy another bag than go for something smaller like 10x7 or 9x6. Watch the Skunks tutorial video's from the link I left you and get the basic hitting correct.

sir... i just want you guys to know that the platform and my height at the video wasn't really that one.... i just step on to something to make myself taller on the video...because i know you guys might all react if i post the other video ..which is the true height of myself and the speedbag...


well after you all telling me that i should adjust the platform higher...i made my decision to post the other video...(the true one:) ) in which you would see the platform and the bag is really higher than me..but the speedbag was still bouncing reallly sloowwww... :mad:


so what again do you think i should do???



sorry to you guys...that i posted a wrong video... because i was hesitating at first, that you all might react that how come ... i put up the platfrom and the speedbag higher than me...verrryy sorry guys.... asking for an apology


pls have more patience...im starting to learn a lot here...i hope you guys would be more eager to help me out! thanks!!

well here's the other one video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9uft099hkY

[ote888]

Welcome to the forum, ote888!

My personal trainer (over 50-years experience) is very impressed with your platform. You have good support coming from the wall down to the far corner of the drum. This should give you good stability and less vibration when hitting.

After watching your video, he noticed that the bag is too big for the platform. But, then, the platform is pretty small. An easy "fix" would be to attach a little bit larger piece of plywood to the bottom of the platform, re-attaching the swivel to it. (By the way, I love the beefy hunk of wood you used. Looks really solid.)

I'm no expert, but, I think that you're not getting a good rebound due to the fact that the bag is extending beyond the platform and slamming into the edge of it, cutting into the momentum of the bag. I'll post some images so you'll see what I'm talking about. See how the bag is extending several inches past the wood platform?

If you make a larger surface for your bag to hit against, you will also make it safer for your arms and fists, as you get into elbow strikes, etc. (I think my platform is at least 32" in diameter and it's round, with some spongy material around the edges for safety.)



hey there dude! verrrrrrrrrryyy much thanks and i appreciated that you and your trainer likeeeeeeesss my platform very much!!


you might wanna tell him that he can visit me here in the philippines so i can make one for him!! hahaha!! LOL!!! just kiddin' ...

well sir....if you had just read my story on building this platform..it was like hell!!! haha...i really had a hard time thinking on how will i come up in a good and a very sturdy platform... good thing...i have it done very well...

it took for about a week.... having these angle bars welded.... and it was me whose very lucky that i found out the kind of wood.... it's verrry hard dude! even when you hit the wall with that wood... you would just hear the solid sound and wouldnt feel any vibrations at the wood at all... :)


well actually as i measured and checked it out..the bag does not hit the edges of the wood after all..... it just looks like one ....because the bag was pretty long....:D ..but then only the belly and the head of the bag hits the board(not the edge of the board):D...so even i add up some more inches of wood...it would be useless because the lower part of the bag (lower part of belly) does not hit the edge of the 24x24 board .... well i might go check it out again..and might listen on your suggestion! i know it might be a big help soon in case i became pro..and bought a larger bag right??? very thanks! sir :D:D:):)
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well i might buy a new one??? .....but a smaller one first..(since im still a newbie)...and i just want to make sure this time that it would bounce back fast...?? any suggestions there sir??? thanks!!

[ote888]

I watched your video and have to agree with Tim on your punching, a fix for this would be to adjust the platform up.

Wow, that is a very big bag! 11x8 sounds about right. If your going to buy another bag than go for something smaller like 10x7 or 9x6. Watch the Skunks tutorial video's from the link I left you and get the basic hitting correct.

you sure about the sizes that you have suggested to me sir?? in case i might buy a new one???


i dont want to waste money this time...i really want to make sure it will go fast =) :):):) and would not disappoint me =) thanks !!:):)

[ote888]

hey guys.... im starting to learn the roll punch! since this is the only thing i can do with this speedbag. i might post a video..later on =) haha..im enjoying it...even i used this slow speed bag :D:D :D:D

[Tim]

i might consider buying a new one. a smaller one an 8x5?? or 6x4..either of the two... :confused:


8x5 will be fine. You could be quite happy with that size and not ever need to buy another speed bag. 6x4 might be too frustrating for a newbie, but within a month or two you ought to be able to handle it..


@sir tim: sir... i forgot to ask you.. how big your board is?? thanks sir! =)

My main board is 32" in diameter, if I recall. 24", which is a common size, would work fine with bags up to 10x7 in size.

[Biff]

well after you all telling me that i should adjust the platform higher...i made my decision to post the other video...(the true one ) in which you would see the platform and the bag is really higher than me..but the speedbag was still bouncing reallly sloowwww...


so what again do you think i should do???



sorry to you guys...that i posted a wrong video... because i was hesitating at first, that you all might react that how come ... i put up the platfrom and the speedbag higher than me...verrryy sorry guys.... asking for an apology


pls have more patience...im starting to learn a lot here...i hope you guys would be more eager to help me out! thanks!!

well here's the other one video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9uft099hkY

Hi ote888. The link to your second video shows the real height of the platform and of yourself, correct? If this is so, then you need to do one of two things. 1) LOWER the platform or 2) stand on a something to make you taller (as you mentioned earlier).

In either case, the bottom of the bag should be at your chin level.

In the first video you posted (standing on a platform) you were too high. In the second video (standing on the ground), you were too low.

Also, keep in mind that when you change bags (larger to smaller, or smaller to larger), you may have to re-adjust the height of the speed bag platform or the platform you are standing on so that the bottom of the bag is at chin level.

Good luck. Hope this isn't too confusing.

[ote888]

8x5 will be fine. You could be quite happy with that size and not ever need to buy another speed bag. 6x4 might be too frustrating for a newbie, but within a month or two you ought to be able to handle it..



My main board is 32" in diameter, if I recall. 24", which is a common size, would work fine with bags up to 10x7 in size.

lol! why?? how come it's frustrating?? is it too small?? to punch?? ...:):confused:

well im quite happy with my board right now and might not add more inch anymore... it's just a waste of time..and energy :D lol!

*maybe anytime soon...if i might become a pro like you sir =)

anyway very much thanks for your comments...it helped a lot!

[ote888]

Hi ote888. The link to your second video shows the real height of the platform and of yourself, correct? If this is so, then you need to do one of two things. 1) LOWER the platform or 2) stand on a something to make you taller (as you mentioned earlier).

In either case, the bottom of the bag should be at your chin level.

In the first video you posted (standing on a platform) you were too high. In the second video (standing on the ground), you were too low.

Also, keep in mind that when you change bags (larger to smaller, or smaller to larger), you may have to re-adjust the height of the speed bag platform or the platform you are standing on so that the bottom of the bag is at chin level.

Good luck. Hope this isn't too confusing.

well i will remember what you have told me.... it's a big help too!! thank you sir!!... that's what i am also planning to do.... to stand on some platform..so i can be taller...and i can match the bottom of the bag exactly at my chin level! thanks sir!! :):):)


nah it does not confuses me...it's a big help! thanks! :)

[gvee127]

lol! why?? how come it's frustrating?? is it too small?? to punch?? ...:):confused:

well im quite happy with my board right now and might not add more inch anymore... it's just a waste of time..and energy :D lol!

*maybe anytime soon...if i might become a pro like you sir =)

anyway very much thanks for your comments...it helped a lot!

Hey ote888, welcome to the forum. If you're just starting out, as others have pointed out, it would be better not to start out with the smallest bag since you'll be needing to go a little slow at first to learn the fundamentals and with a small bag, 6 x 4 for example, you'll probably end up getting frustated with the size and speed of the bag. A larger bag tends to be slower and has a larger "sweet spot" in the bag. This is very helpful with learning or practicing new techniques and combinations. Plus it requires more power to keep it going, giving you a tougher workout. Hope this helps.

[ote888]

just measured the weight of the bag....



it's 13.55oz...daaamn! i didnt know it was that heavy!! no doubt..it wouldnt reallu bounce back that fast..as what i was thinking.... :D:D

[ukspeedbag]

sir... i just want you guys to know that the platform and my height at the video wasn't really that one.... i just step on to something to make myself taller on the video...because i know you guys might all react if i post the other video ..which is the true height of myself and the speedbag...


well after you all telling me that i should adjust the platform higher...i made my decision to post the other video...(the true one:) ) in which you would see the platform and the bag is really higher than me..but the speedbag was still bouncing reallly sloowwww... :mad:


so what again do you think i should do???



sorry to you guys...that i posted a wrong video... because i was hesitating at first, that you all might react that how come ... i put up the platfrom and the speedbag higher than me...verrryy sorry guys.... asking for an apology


pls have more patience...im starting to learn a lot here...i hope you guys would be more eager to help me out! thanks!!

well here's the other one video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9uft099hkY


Okay, so now you have all the information you need. Buy an Everlast8x5 which measures 9x6, adjust your platform so that the bag is at the correct height. Watch the Skunks video's. Before you know it, you'll be hitting like a pro!:D

[ote888]

hey dude...verrrrryyy sorry for the late response...


anyway...i'd like to thank you all for helping me out! now i know what to buy.... and how to train myself with speedbag properly.... thanks for the videos that you gave me..... anyway..one last question... how come ... tim said that ..it's gonna be frustrating if i bought the 6x4?? wwhy? is too small?? too fast? any definition why he said it's frustrating??

mannnny mannny thanks to you all guys! hope you will continue helping out others...just like helping me and being so patient!...i did not come to the wrong forum veryyy thanks!! :):):):)

[Tim]

.. anyway..one last question... how come ... tim said that ..it's gonna be frustrating if i bought the 6x4?? wwhy? is too small?? too fast? any definition why he said it's frustrating??


It will be challenging to hit for a variety of reasons:

1. The rebound arc will be shorter. It will rebound quicker. After hitting the bag you've been hitting a 6x4 is going to feel LIGHTNING FAST!
2. It will be lighter. It may feel like punching air, again, compared to what you were hitting
3. It will require more precision. The "sweet spot" on the 6x4 is going to be small. You will have to hit much more precisely than you have

Taken all together, you may want to quit after 5 minutes with a 6x4 bag... but if you hang in there and keep at it, you can probably be hitting well after a few days.

But keep in mind, as you learn new strikes (elbows, doubles, etc.) it will be easier to pick these up on a larger bag, like an 8x5.

If I could only own ONE bag, it would be an 8x5.

[ote888]

welll sir i learned a lot here....many thankss!!! =) ... i now understand what i have to do =) very much thanks to all of you :):)

[ukspeedbag]

welll sir i learned a lot here....many thankss!!! =) ... i now understand what i have to do =) very much thanks to all of you :):)

Keep in touch and let us know how you get on.;)

[aad03]

We should pass the hat around and see if we can collect enough to bring OTE888 to Speed Bag 2010 for a one on one with Skunk. Am I the only one???

[paranday]

We should pass the hat around and see if we can collect enough to bring OTE888 to Speed Bag 2010 for a one on one with Skunk. Am I the only one???

I like it!

[ote888]

so what's all about facing with skunk??? is he going to train me or what??? :):):)


sure!!guys...as long as you guys are going to answer the payments for my trip...from philippines to u.s hahaha :)just kiddin!!! =)
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[ote888]

Keep in touch and let us know how you get on.;)

sure sir..very thankful for helping me out.... and being polite ;) thanks thanks!!

[paranday]

so what's all about facing with skunk??? is he going to train me or what??? :):):)

sure!!guys...as long as you guys are going to answer the payments for my trip...from philippines to u.s hahaha :)just kiddin!!! =)
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Would be great to have you come visit.

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hey guys...as we see different kinds of swivels...like different styles...different made....do they differ in terms of speed??? .

like what i mean is.... for example there is an everlast and title swivel...they have the same style...but do they differ from the speed they produce?? since they both came from different manufacturer??? thanks