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jimcaher
03-04-2010, 11:15 AM
I'm thrilled to resume a relationship with Alan that began in 1973 at Memphis State University. As I recall there were four of us who were already fairly accomplished at hitting the speed bag in the tradiional and quite pedestrian manner: Alan, Bob & Al Levine and myself. Doc Shroeder introduced us to a whole new way of bagging, emphasizing hitting from all sides and trying to create new sounds. We would encounter each other several times a week in the weight room where two platforms were mounted. Independently we would follow Doc's suggestion and try to invent new sounds by hitting the bag in all kinds of weird ways and then share the results with each other.

After Memphis I went on to other things but remained fit, intermittently bagging through the years. Alan, on he other hand has taken this beyond anything we ever imagined. In '73, it seemed that speed bagging was a dying skill. Now, thanks to Alan, it is a world-wide movement.

A few observations from a guy getting seriously interested in bagging for the first time in 35 years:
- the Everlast 4200 kangaroo bag from 1973 is still in fine shape. Over the years I would occasionally put leather dressing on it that, but that's all
- the Everlast XS "6x4" I just recieved is: - actually 8x5, easier on my aging shoulders, not misshapen, and the leather seems fine although I did put some dressing on before using.
- Swivels- my old Everlast ball and hook seems to be more annoyingly noisy when using the smaller bag. The ball is just a little large for the plastic swivel. The Watkins ball fits fine, but the hook is too long. The hook from the Everlast is a too wide to insert in the Watkins ball, and the one from the plastic model is too thin- the set screw in the Watkins ball does not go in far enough to hold it in. So, for now I have the Watkins ball in the plastic base with the too long hook. Customer "service" at Boxing Gear is almost comically offensive and rude. But I'm assured that shorter hooks are on the way (probably while the curmudgeon on the other end of the phone was giving me the finger.
- Getting old kind of sucks, but once you learn fancy bagging it comes back-- although it'll take more than 2 weeks to get anywhere close to being sharp and precise. Trying to master Alan's punch druming is going to take a lot longer.

Jim Caher

Biff
03-04-2010, 12:32 PM
Hey Jim, welcome to the forum. How awesome that you were in the original group of baggers with Alan! It must feel very good to know you were part of something that has since grown so popular. (Any stories about Alan's younger years would be appreciated!!) http://www.c3vr.com/member_uploads/1_100/16/jester.gif

I'm glad to hear that you're back bagging again. I'm sure you'll be back to wicked bagging very shortly. Looking forward to your contributions to our group and some vids as well.

Now, thanks to Alan, it is a world-wide movement.
Amen!

Customer "service" at Boxing Gear is almost comically offensive and rude. But I'm assured that shorter hooks are on the way (probably while the curmudgeon on the other end of the phone was giving me the finger.
BTDT

Getting old kind of sucks
Ain't that the truth!

sparrky37
03-04-2010, 12:48 PM
Welcome back to world of speedbaggn. I love the history of things! Pretty cool!

ukspeedbag
03-04-2010, 02:04 PM
Welcome to the forum Jim.;) Well, that was like coming in with a big bang! Great to hear that your one of the original baggers inspired by Doc Shroeder. Cool story and welcome back to the speed bag world.:D

Like Biff said, c'mon spill the beans on Alan, you must have some stories to tell.:D:D

paranday
03-04-2010, 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by jimcaher
Now, thanks to Alan, it is a world-wide movement.

No stopping the speed bag now. Alan is the man!

spinsmashpop
03-05-2010, 03:52 AM
Hey Jim! Very cool to read about your time back in the day with Alan and Doc. Now with the advent of the internet, youtube and the speedbagforum, it must be cool to see how speed bagging is still around and many people all over are into the advanced techniques you guys were working on back then.
Do you think it is noticeably more popular now compared to then?
I thought Rocky pumped the bag up into a new light considering how popular the movie was. I was 9 when it came out and it made an impression on me, (it only took 30 more years to get into ...haha)
Looking forward to hearing more of those times from you....
BAG ON!

Tim
03-10-2010, 07:19 AM
I'm thrilled to resume a relationship with Alan that began in 1973 at Memphis State University. As I recall there were four of us who were already fairly accomplished at hitting the speed bag in the tradiional and quite pedestrian manner: Alan, Bob & Al Levine and myself. Doc Shroeder introduced us to a whole new way of bagging, emphasizing hitting from all sides and trying to create new sounds. We would encounter each other several times a week in the weight room where two platforms were mounted. Independently we would follow Doc's suggestion and try to invent new sounds by hitting the bag in all kinds of weird ways and then share the results with each other.

Hi Jim, welcome to the forum! Look forward to having another one of Doc Shroeder's original speed bag gang on board.


After Memphis I went on to other things but remained fit, intermittently bagging through the years. Alan, on he other hand has taken this beyond anything we ever imagined. In '73, it seemed that speed bagging was a dying skill. Now, thanks to Alan, it is a world-wide movement.

It's alive and well in this group, I can tell you that for sure! Would love to have you at http://speedbag2010.com , if that is a possibility!