Speed Bag Gang Banger

[aad03]

So I took some direction from Tim and put together a design for a cage. I'm calling it the "Gang Banger." The original Gang Banger is built for 6, but can be modified to accomodate 4 or 8, by changing a few dimensions. It is pre-drilled to be compatible with Everlast and Balazs platforms.

I threw this together pretty quick, so y'all let me know if something doesn't seem to make sense. It is 3 pages.

http://www.thedukedoctrine.com/sbcage.pdf

http://www.thedukedoctrine.com/sbcageplan.pdf

http://www.thedukedoctrine.com/sbcageparts.pdf

For future events, we can say something like, "We'll be bringing 2 6-man Gang Bangers, and a 4-man Gang Banger."

[spinsmashpop]

So I took some direction from Tim and put together a design for a cage. I'm calling it the "Gang Banger." The original Gang Banger is built for 6, but can be modified to accomodate 4 or 8, by changing a few dimensions. It is pre-drilled to be compatible with Everlast and Balazs platforms.

I threw this together pretty quick, so y'all let me know if something doesn't seem to make sense. It is 3 pages.

http://www.thedukedoctrine.com/sbcage.pdf

http://www.thedukedoctrine.com/sbcageplan.pdf

http://www.thedukedoctrine.com/sbcageparts.pdf

For future events, we can say something like, "We'll be bringing 2 6-man Gang Bangers, and a 4-man Gang Banger."

Wow! Impressive stuff! You are all pro! You should see my drum charts when I have to learn tunes! They look like a drawings by a few 2 year olds!
Anyhow.... very cool!

[aad03]

SSP,
You say you'll have a platform with you on tour? I'm planning on coming out to the San Antonio show, my cousin lives right by Scout Bar, literally less than a mile away. Thinking about building a gangbanger and trying it out down there. I'll prob bring a couple platforms, if you think you'll have time to bag. If you've got a board with you, all the better.

I can bring a couple extra bags since all your gear got snaked.

[spinsmashpop]

SSP,
You say you'll have a platform with you on tour? I'm planning on coming out to the San Antonio show, my cousin lives right by Scout Bar, literally less than a mile away. Thinking about building a gangbanger and trying it out down there. I'll prob bring a couple platforms, if you think you'll have time to bag. If you've got a board with you, all the better.

I can bring a couple extra bags since all your gear got snaked.

I am going to try to bring a platform. We are in a Sprinter van (you can stand up in) and a trailer, so the comfort of tour buses, techs and and equipments trucks are no where to be found around this tour! But I will most likely keep a platform and bags with me just in case their is a place to hang and bang!
So we will PM and get numbers and all that over the next couple weeks. Then I will also have a better idea of my time that day and when I am in town , soundcheck, show time.. etc...
WE will most likely be playing later on this tour (10 - 11) so that increases potential bag time...
BAG ON

[aad03]

Sounds good, I'll make sure we've got something to hang a few boards.

[Tim]

So I took some direction from Tim and put together a design for a cage. I'm calling it the "Gang Banger." The original Gang Banger is built for 6, but can be modified to accomodate 4 or 8, by changing a few dimensions. It is pre-drilled to be compatible with Everlast and Balazs platforms.

I threw this together pretty quick, so y'all let me know if something doesn't seem to make sense. It is 3 pages.

Cool. The only comment I have is that I staggered the horizontal pieces on each side so that you don't have to worry about being too precise with your wood. For example if one of the 36" is 36.25" in reality, it's not going to interfere with the other other piece. Also the 5' and 4' lengths I chose are conveniently 1/2 the size of common lengths at Home Depot. That way they do all the cutting and that's one less tool needed.

(Having said that, I'm all thumbs when it comes to construction so I kind of dumbed down the design so I could be sloppy about it)

[SpeedBagSkunk]

cool idea but if we get shirts made that say"i have been in the gangbang cage" I will have to skip out on wearin one lmao. But cool professional idea.

[aad03]

I figured I could use 8' 2x6's and get a 5' and a 3' from each. My shop has all the equipment and tools, so I'm gonna go ahead and build one and see how it comes out. I'll post some photos or vids when it's done. I was thinking maybe some shirts that say "i'm here for the gang bang."

[Tim]

I figured I could use 8' 2x6's and get a 5' and a 3' from each.

Good point (I told you I was all thumbs, simple things like that escape me!) That's an easy cut for Home Depot to do as well.

[Tim]

My shop has all the equipment and tools, so I'm gonna go ahead and build one and see how it comes out. I'll post some photos or vids when it's done.

I'd be interested to hear what it costs to construct as well. Mine ran in the $200+ range (per rack). Probably could have been done cheaper (maybe nails instead of 1/2 inch bolts?), or something other than cedar. There's probably $50-$60 in 1/2 inch hardware in each of mine. I'll have a detailed cost accounting posted soon.

The real cost is the platforms though. I think the next hurdle is a cheap wooden home made platform design that is compatible with these kind of racks.

Can anyone brainstorm an adjustable platform made of wood? That would be nirvana

[paranday]

There's probably $50-$60 in 1/2 inch hardware in each of mine. I'll have a detailed cost accounting posted soon.


That seems a bit high. The low grade bolts here are sold by the pound, is it the same where you live?


Can anyone brainstorm an adjustable platform made of wood? That would be nirvana

If anyone can do it, it's the inventive gang here. Forget who it is now, but one guy's welded frame that was posted here is a thing of engineering beauty. No dog food needed to kill vibrations with his design.

[crapshoot]

It was probably the cedar that drove it up. It's about twice the cost of pine. Plus, bolts can vary in price depending on their grade.

As far as adjustable wood drums, it may be easier to adjust the height of the person with platforms than figuring out a reliable and durable platform.

[Tim]

That seems a bit high. The low grade bolts here are sold by the pound, is it the same where you live?

They probably sell them like that somewhere, but the only source I'm familiar with is Home Depot and Lowes. Lowes had a box of 25 six inch length, 1/2 inch diameter bolts for $32. It takes about 32 to put one rack together (8 each side, times 4 sides). Then theres the nuts and washers which is another couple of bucks, then the bolts, washers, and nuts for platform mounting.

It was probably the cedar that drove it up. It's about twice the cost of pine.

That's what I thought at first, but the only thing they had in 4"x4" was Cedar or pressure treated wood, and both were similar. They didn't have 4"x4" in pine. I guess I could have used something else, but 4"x4" seemed to be the way to go. I briefly looked for a "real" lumber yard, but couldn't locate one near me.

Plus, bolts can vary in price depending on their grade.

Lowes only carries one kind, so they may be the really strong kind, I'm not sure.


As far as adjustable wood drums, it may be easier to adjust the height of the person with platforms than figuring out a reliable and durable platform.

I don't disagree, but if somebody COULD figure out how to make a wood adjustable I think that would be ideal.

Another idea would be to simply mount each fixed platform at a different height, maybe in 4" increments. If you have 8 platforms , that's 32" of coverage.

[aad03]

The hardware does add up real quick. Once you add up all the bolts, washers, and nuts, you'd be surprised, like Tim said. I ordered all my hardware from boltdepot.com, I went with stainless steel and wingnuts, for simple assembly. It ran about $230 just for the hardware. It will accomodate 6 platforms. I think it will be tough to build any platform for less than the basic Everlast.

[sparrky37]

There is a way to make adjustable wood platform to stand on. I think of cribbing used by firefighters to stabilize a car that has wrecked.

basically you would have to notch 4 pieces of large wood in 1 or 2" increments. Like a step pattern for 4 corners of a platform. Or to simplify that you can stairstep 2"x4"s by glue and screws, and you can put 2 together for 4"s of height, 3 for 6"s of height, adn 4 for 8"s of height etc...

Hope this makes sense I hate explaining stuff by typing.

[aad03]

Tweaked my design a little bit, the links on the first post will now go to the latest design for the Gang Banger. The hardware should be here today, so I'll probably build it this weekend. Looking forward to giving it a test run in San Antonio when the Lynch Mob comes through.

[Tim]

I ordered all my hardware from boltdepot.com,

I hadn't thought of trying that. Isn't the shipping killer ? My box of bolts for both racks is probably 20 lbs at least.

Looking forward to seeing the gang banger leap off the blueprints and into real life :)

[aad03]

Yeah, the hardware was pretty heavy, I think it was about $25 shipping. I probably could have found most of the stuff at Home Depot, but I just ordered everything together for convenience.

Well, the Gang Banger 1.0 is alive. I built it last night, and it is standing in my garage right now. I followed everything as it was drawn, and it worked out perfectly. Actually, I did make the holes just a little bigger than what the plans showed, just to allow for any minor inaccuracies. I'll post a couple pics or a video tonight.

[Tim]

Yeah, the hardware was pretty heavy, I think it was about $25 shipping. I probably could have found most of the stuff at Home Depot, but I just ordered everything together for convenience.

That ain't bad at all. I figured it would be a lot more than that.


Well, the Gang Banger 1.0 is alive. I built it last night, and it is standing in my garage right now. I followed everything as it was drawn, and it worked out perfectly. Actually, I did make the holes just a little bigger than what the plans showed, just to allow for any minor inaccuracies. I'll post a couple pics or a video tonight.

You gonna hang one of your Balazs on there? I look forward to seeing it :)

[aad03]

Here it is:

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[Tim]

Great work. Platt approved

Looks like you'll be in good shape for the Lynch Mob to come to town.

I like the idea of keeping the hardware in a protein jug. Good idea. The cardboard box I use is just about busting at the seams.

I've lost the receipts from the cages I put together, so I'm gonna go back to home depot and get the individual piece costs and figure out what they cost to build.

[Tim]

One thing I forgot, it looks like any bag get together in the future is going to need a Vertical platform, don't forget to add one of those.

Also , what kind of wood is that?

[Speedbag]

Looks very awesome! Youi're in Houston?? 'bout 3.5 hours from me and Atgatt. A very dooable drive

[sparrky37]

Awesome! Look forward to seeing it in action. About how much was your total cost on that?

[aad03]

I'm really looking forward to loading it up with some platforms. Looks like San Antonio will be the maiden voyage. I'll have to break a bottle of champagne on it before we start bagging.

Whoever can make it to SA should come on down. I've got all the holes pre-drilled for the Balazs (22.5"), but I need someone to confirm the Everlast vertical spacing, so I can get those drilled.

Total cost came out to about $300.

I'll have to make a vertical platform attachment.

[Tim]

I'm really looking forward to loading it up with some platforms. Looks like San Antonio will be the maiden voyage. I'll have to break a bottle of champagne on it before we start bagging.

What date is that? Doubt I can make it, but who knows.


Whoever can make it to SA should come on down. I've got all the holes pre-drilled for the Balazs (22.5"), but I need someone to confirm the Everlast vertical spacing, so I can get those drilled.

Everlast can vary by WHEN the platform was built. The older ones are 21.5" , the newer ones are 22.5", I believe, but I don't have a new one in front of me. IT DEFINITELY CHANGED FROM THE OLD ONES !!!!


Total cost came out to about $300.


I'll have a total on mine shortly, going to home depot now to get the prices (lost all my receipts).


I'll have to make a vertical platform attachment.

I'm hanging one today as well :)

[spinsmashpop]

Here it is:

sfKmwMhWjSc
Great job! I must have overlooked this vid until now.

[aad03]

Lynch Mob will be in SA July 24th, so that will probably be the first time the Gang Banger is put to use. I'll add some mounting holes for the Everlast platforms.

It would be sick if we had all 6 boards in action.

[Tim]

Lynch Mob will be in SA July 24th, so that will probably be the first time the Gang Banger is put to use. I'll add some mounting holes for the Everlast platforms.

D'oh, no way I can make that. My son's birthday party is that day.

Here's costs for my racks:

8'x5'x5'
Item Qty Price Subtotal
8' 4x4 4 17.97 71.88
10' 2x6 6 14.97 89.82
1/2 bolt 32 1.2896 41.2672
1/2 wshr 64 0.1696 10.8544
1/2 nut 32 0.1594 5.1008
5/16 bolt 24 0.3 7.2
5/16 wshr 48 0.11 5.28
5/16 nut 24 0.1 2.4
Total ($) 233.8024


8'x4'x4'
Item Qty Price Subtotal
8' 4x4 4 17.97 71.88
8' 2x6 7 11.97 83.79
1/2 bolt 40 1.2896 51.584
1/2 wshr 80 0.1696 13.568
1/2 nut 40 0.1594 6.376
5/16 bolt 20 0.3 6
5/16 wshr 40 0.11 4.4
5/16 nut 20 0.1 2
Total ($) 239.598

Costs of transportation were approx $285 for a 8'x5' u-haul trailer for 14 days and 2,200 miles of driving at 15 MPG in the tow vehicle, which is about $410 in gas. I had the u-haul so long because this was a family vacation. That cost would have been 1/2 that if I'd only gone to the event with it. So the point is though that there is a 'break even' point somewhere around 1,200 or 1,500 miles where the costs to transport start to out weight the costs of making these onsite.

Quite frankly I don't see myself driving these to the west coast at any point (2,500 miles one way).

[crapshoot]

Wow, lumber is expensive in Florida! Why are the 4'x4' cages more expensive? How come more 1/2" hardware?

As far as having them available in different regions they may have to be stored by some kind souls in different areas like Spinsmashpop and someone else mentioned.

In any event, they look great!

[Tim]

Wow, lumber is expensive in Florida!

Keep in mind those are Home Depot prices. I'm sure it's cheaper at a lumber yard, but I really couldn't find one that was convenient.

Why are the 4'x4' cages more expensive? How come more 1/2" hardware?

The 4' x 4' had an inside platform that due to the nature of the platform required another 2 4' boards, so there was more hardware to go with that.



As far as having them available in different regions they may have to be stored by some kind souls in different areas like Spinsmashpop and someone else mentioned.

Yes, that's probably the best plan. We need one or two on each coast, plus some in the middle :)

[crapshoot]

Keep in mind those are Home Depot prices.

I'll have to ship some down. They're only $10 here :D


Yes, that's probably the best plan. We need one or two on each coast, plus some in the middle :)

Between the tax credit and that, is there a better reason to buy a house LOL

[Biff]

Aaron, great job with the design and construction of your "banger." Can't wait to see a vid of you guys and it in action in July when Lynch Mob rolls through.