Cinderella man and the #3 swivel?

[monkaboy]

Russell Crowe does a short speed bag routine in the Cinderella Man. He is using a #3 super swivel. Is this a period swivel, it looks to advanced for 1935.

[Speedbag]

that is a great question. The history of punching bag equipment (http://ejmas.com/jmanly/articles/2001/jmanlyart_myers_0801.htm), particular the speed bag as we know it today (punch ball in this article), is hard to find.

Jimmy Braddock on Speed bag 1 (http://www.antekprizering.com/braddocktraining003.jpeg)

Jimmy Braddock on Speed Bag 2 (http://www.antekprizering.com/braddocktraining024.jpeg) (interesting swivel)

Here are a few swivels of that Era

Tony Canzaneri on speed bag (http://www.sports.nd.edu/exhibits/winkexhibit/Canzoneri.710-5-50.jpg) ( career: 1925 - 1939 (http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/canzoner.shtml)

Rocky Graciano (http://www.sports.nd.edu/exhibits/winkexhibit/Graziano.720-2-133.jpg) ( career: 1943 - 1952 career (http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/grazianor.shtml))

Gus Lesnevich on speed bag (http://www.sports.nd.edu/exhibits/winkexhibit/Lesnevich.710-21-87.jpg) (1940's)

* some interesting Boxing historical information (http://www.sports.nd.edu/Boxing/)
* Boxing Biograhies (http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/indboxng.shtml)
* History of Boxing:Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing)



Hollywood often re-writes history. In Downtown San Antonio Texas there is an IMAX (Large Screen) THEATER that has a movie called Alamo: the price of Freedom (http://www.imax-sa.com/alamo.html). A cool movie, but if you look closely you will see several of the mexican soldiers clearing the walls in 1836 (http://www.imax-sa.com/alamohistory.html) wearing wrist watches, which were not invented until 1900 (http://www.altobelli.com/html/watch_history.html)

things that make go "hmm" :confused:

[Kyle]

thanks for the info speedbag ive always meant to look up the history of the speed bag but just never got around to it.
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[Speedbag]

thanks for the info speedbag ive always meant to look up the history of the speed bag but just never got around to it.

The history goes back further than that. According to boxng coach Kenny Weldon (http://www.houstonboxingscene.com/espanol.htm) of houston Texas, The early Greek warriors (http://www.pankrationcanada.com/english/html/history.html) and Romans trained for wrestling and boxing (hand to hand combat). the third paragraph in the link above tends to prove that.

I imagine the first swivels were strands of rope, (which shortened over time for speedier rebounds) and bags were animal skins or bladders filled with water for more bounce.

[monkaboy]

Thanks speedbag for the wealth of information.

[Chris M]

that is a great question. The history of punching bag equipment (http://ejmas.com/jmanly/articles/2001/jmanlyart_myers_0801.htm), particular the speed bag as we know it today (punch ball in this article), is hard to find.

Jimmy Braddock on Speed bag 1 (http://www.antekprizering.com/braddocktraining003.jpeg)

Jimmy Braddock on Speed Bag 2 (http://www.antekprizering.com/braddocktraining024.jpeg) (interesting swivel)

Here are a few swivels of that Era

Tony Canzaneri on speed bag (http://www.sports.nd.edu/exhibits/winkexhibit/Canzoneri.710-5-50.jpg) ( career: 1925 - 1939 (http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/canzoner.shtml)

Rocky Graciano (http://www.sports.nd.edu/exhibits/winkexhibit/Graziano.720-2-133.jpg) ( career: 1943 - 1952 career (http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/grazianor.shtml))

Gus Lesnevich on speed bag (http://www.sports.nd.edu/exhibits/winkexhibit/Lesnevich.710-21-87.jpg) (1940's)

* some interesting Boxing historical information (http://www.sports.nd.edu/Boxing/)
* Boxing Biograhies (http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/indboxng.shtml)
* History of Boxing:Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing)



Hollywood often re-writes history. In Downtown San Antonio Texas there is an IMAX (Large Screen) THEATER that has a movie called Alamo: the price of Freedom (http://www.imax-sa.com/alamo.html). A cool movie, but if you look closely you will see several of the mexican soldiers clearing the walls in 1836 (http://www.imax-sa.com/alamohistory.html) wearing wrist watches, which were not invented until 1900 (http://www.altobelli.com/html/watch_history.html)

things that make go "hmm" :confused:

Anyone else notice how freaking big those bags are that all the guys in the old days used?

I told you love my 10x12 Title! I don't use it as much as I used to, but I do get a good aerobic workout from it when I'm in the mood.

[Speedbag]

Anyone else notice how freaking big those bags are that all the guys in the old days used?

I told you love my 10x12 Title! I don't use it as much as I used to, but I do get a good aerobic workout from it when I'm in the mood.

Every "old" speed bag picture I have ever seen has those giant bags. Actually, I use to really like pounding the big boys too. Manly man workout! Just pounding out the four front punches. It's great on a board that is big enough and hard enough to handle the force. When I started hitting at home on a small, thin 24 inch board, I gave up on that for the board couldn't handle it. So I moved exclusively to the smaller bags. But I do miss those full force punchouts.

[Dutchman]

Take note of the pics where the platforms are not wall mounted. They are self standing "rooms" about six feet square from what I can determine. You can work the bag all the way around and walk with it. Not a whole lot to them, looks like 2" pipe and a heavy plywood ceiling. It just takes a fair chunk of space.

[jaguiler]

Take note of the pics where the platforms are not wall mounted. They are self standing "rooms" about six feet square from what I can determine. You can work the bag all the way around and walk with it. Not a whole lot to them, looks like 2" pipe and a heavy plywood ceiling. It just takes a fair chunk of space.

that plywood cieling would have to be pretty well reinforced - or else it will flex and be very noisy... not to mention a poor quality rebound

[Dutchman]

From photos I've seen it looks like there was plenty of cross bracing across the top of these units. We're not talking three quarter inch plywood sitting on four posts. It appears the tops were framed like a wall section which would give it plenty of rigidity. I would like to be able to inspect a unit like that. If I had the space I think that this is the way to go.

[Speedbag]

You can clearly see the Ballhook Swivel (http://billyconn.net/aPhotos/galleries/fightpic/speedbag.jpg) in this picture of Billy Conn (http://billyconn.net/aPhotos/main%20page.htm) training from the 1940's.

You will notice in the conn.net website that he fought Gus Lesnevich twice, who was mentioned in the earlier post.

Looks like that ballhook was pretty prevalent in the 1940's.

[Speedbag]

Here are a few more boxing photo's with speed bag in them. Most are from www.pugilistica.com (http://www.pugilistica.com/)

Benny Paret on the speed bag (http://www.pugilistica.com/BoxingArchive1/BennieKidParet1961WorkingtheSpeedBag1.JPG)

Long speed bag board in background (http://www.pugilistica.com/BoxingArchive1/JackieCalluraFullFPinGymfacingFrontlegsopenth_th_. JPG)

Dempsey Training camp, speed bag in background (http://www.pugilistica.com/BoxingArchive1/JackDempsey1927trainingwithpulleysbeforeTunneyfigh t1th_th_.JPG)

boxer skipping rope, speed bags in background (http://www.pugilistica.com/BoxingArchive1/MarcelCerdanjumpropeingymc1946th_th_.JPG)

boxer under speed bag balcony (notice rebound ring around swivel..) (http://www.pugilistica.com/BoxingArchive2/EddieSimmsC1936WorkingSpeedbagInGym.JPG)

Speed Bag on the "USS Olympic", (http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/item/3682/) sister ship of Titanic.