Bible Challenge

[jumpcannon]

Has anyone completed the speedbag bag bible from front to back and did EVERY SINGLE EXERCISE listed in the book? Not just learning the technique and going on to the next. But i mean ALL the exercises the way they are written. And not just get "lucky" on some of them and move on....but really get each one down. I may have to give it a shot. It should keep me busy all winter! This is the only "homework" i will enjoy doing! LOL...what about you Alan? Ever tried it?

[Tim]

Has anyone completed the speedbag bag bible from front to back and did EVERY SINGLE EXERCISE listed in the book? Not just learning the technique and going on to the next. But i mean ALL the exercises the way they are written. And not just get "lucky" on some of them and move on....but really get each one down.

I'm working on this. I won't likely be doing the kicking section though :) It's going to take some time, probably years, to be honest. I typically punch up some of the written exercises, then free style for a bit. or sometimes just freestyle. It's taking me 6 or 7 sessions for some of the exercises (i.e as you mention really learning the technique and being able to repeat it, not just getting lucky once or twice.). Sometimes I get distracted as well... that d-des ' i-des ' o-des idea came to me while working on the elbow section. Once that idea took hold I focused on that for 2 or 3 weeks.

I can't stress enough how beneficial the written exercises are. They force you to do things differently than you normally do and make sure you get out of your "comfort zone".

[jumpcannon]

My bad. Your right tim. Exclude the kicks and martial arts stuff. But all the punching work is what i meant.

[metaldad]

The key to your query....Discipline! So easy to get distracted when working on the technipues as written. Especially when miss-hits happen.

[Speedbag]

Has anyone completed the speedbag bag bible from front to back and did EVERY SINGLE EXERCISE listed in the book? Not just learning the technique and going on to the next. But i mean ALL the exercises the way they are written. And not just get "lucky" on some of them and move on....but really get each one down. I may have to give it a shot. It should keep me busy all winter! This is the only "homework" i will enjoy doing! LOL...what about you Alan? Ever tried it?

HA!! :rolleyes: is this a trick question?? During final edit I did every line several times, (and often while writing it...) to be sure of the combo. especially in the more complicated Side exercises of chapter 9, advanced chapter 10 and echo rhythms chapter 11. (* even then I had numerous typo errors for the first three printings). Some are pretty complex combinations with lots of variations to work off into. Understanding the concepts of all the variations off the three side double punch variations (Side Double Punch_SDP, Reverse-Side Double Punch_R-SDP and Side-Reverse Double Punch_S-RDP) can almost create it's own book. The single most amazing demo I have seen was Roc Stone doing the entire 8 lines of page 152, none stop in one combo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_LrydVZaFs), NO errors. amazing.


I'm working on this. I won't likely be doing the kicking section though :) It's going to take some time, probably years, to be honest. I typically punch up some of the written exercises, then free style for a bit. or sometimes just freestyle. It's taking me 6 or 7 sessions for some of the exercises (i.e as you mention really learning the technique and being able to repeat it, not just getting lucky once or twice.).

I can't stress enough how beneficial the written exercises are. They force you to do things differently than you normally do and make sure you get out of your "comfort zone".

I agree (duh) about the written exercises. The First thing I had to do early on was have a way to write down what the hands, elbows and bag actually do, and account for each side of the bag and each rebound. I could not convey all the basics or options with a way to write it down. Showing people endlessly didn't work because the next day they could not remember. They needed sheet music.
The second important part of that IMO is for YOU to be able to write down things that YOU do in a meaningful way to remember them. I still use the system all the time, particularly with all the new combinations and options I see from the likes of Tim, Skunk, Deano, Baggist and a host of others. Whenever I see something that is NOT part of "my normal" set, I slow it down, understand it and then write it down, including shadow punches and double bumps. (most people fall into a very predictable, "normal set" of combinations when they hit. Myself and Jim Caher could tell who was on the bag pretty much by the sound of their bag combo's. Almost every bagger I have ever been around has a predictable method to their punching. Me to.)

My bad. Your right tim. Exclude the kicks and martial arts stuff. But all the punching work is what i meant.

If you really want to know the truth, I mean THE truth, then the only difference between me and a whole lot of forum members is the understanding of my terminology and written system. From a pure PUNCHING, Bag skill standpoint, there are many who do 90% or more of what I do on a speed bag. People who "hit like me" are now common place. Single and Double fist Pass throughs (linking), all the elbow strikes, and now punch drumming. Yea, baby, there are lots of baggers doing pretty much what I do. The only difference I can see is - they often struggle with the names of techniques, and very few actually write it down - at least on the forum. I have had numerous emails from people with written SB exercises and questions about this or that, but the complete understanding of "my" technique names and system of using it is pretty rare.

But the punching skills, bag control and understanding of how it works is there. JumpCannon and Tim, you might not believe this, but I got nothing skill wise on either of you guys anymore. I remember when I did, but certainly not now. As you can both attest, the more you do, the more you can do and the easier it gets. Look at all the folks doing double split fists, and double punch rotation of fists combos. Triple Elbow Strikes linking the lead, second or both fists through, etc. Lots of people now do them and understand them. Actually I could name a bunch of baggers who can throw down most of what do. Yes it was amazing to see in the mid 90's and early 2000's, but now it is common place. Query speed bag punching on youtube and you'll see lots of people doing most of what I do. Maybe not most of the written combo's in chapter 10 and 11, but still, most of those were only written to teach all the variations and possibilities. Many of those combo's I rarely or never do in my own normal punching "set".

You look to have the skills already, just learn the "book system" (if you want...) and your good to go. :D

[jumpcannon]

I just like the exercises in the book cause its sheet music for bagging. I learn alot from videos. But the book is awsome for the exercises. Be cool if we made up our own combo's and written them down on here. Be kindof a way to push each other to practice different things. I am just getting into side punching and the book has helped me more on that than anything. Starts at ground zero, gives simple exercises, and keeps progressing. EXCELLENT learning tool. Biggest thing that helps me are the bounce marks ' ' ' ......Its make me understand WHEN to transition between a front punch to a side punch or vice versa.

[paranday]

...Starts at ground zero, gives simple exercises, and keeps progressing. EXCELLENT learning tool...

Agreed, and by following the exercises in the order presented, my guess is that most people would pick up Alan's writing system without really studying it, and without intimidation.

[Speedbag]

Agreed, and by following the exercises in the order presented, my guess is that most people would pick up Alan's writing system without really studying it, and without intimidation.

Lest this be read as self grandising, which is not, I completely agree. Page by page, in the order presented, it should be easily absorbed.

thanks, Paranday.