Baggin' in the Hood…y

[MsDeville]

Couldn't help myself. :D

I wanted to make a video to show how well my new homemade swivel works on my outdoor steel platform. But it was 35° and with a forecast of snow. I was also having a "bad hair" day and so I made good use of my Hoody. :-)

For the past month or two "Trainer Raul" and I have been working together to make a custom swivel. And, I think we have a winner. I found a 1" brass ball online and Raul put an I-bolt on it. I got a small carabiner to attach to the I-bolt. Then we constructed the swivel housing out of some durable plastic material we found. (It sure helps to have access to a garage full of tools.)

I decided to post this on You Tube, even though my Big Fat Hoody Head was in the way most of the time. But, there are some choice segments and there's a pretty good view of the swivel in action.

Novaspeedbagger recommended this Santana song to me a while back. It's a great song to punch to. I'm punching on two very different bags in this video. An FS bag for the first half, and then I switched it out for an Aussie speed ball by Jim Bradley. It's a bigger bag, with a longer loop, so I had to scramble to get up to speed with the tempo.

Anyway here it is, for what it's worth…

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Yes...
I am a
BAGAHOLIC.
.

[paranday]

I see two traits converging, creativity and intensity. By intensity I mean that ballsy vibe you got going that puts one on the edge of their seat, by creativity the sure-handedness of your improvisation of interesting moves. I pondered last year what you'd be doing this year, and now I can't wait to see what level of the game you're bagging at next year. Bag on.

[Vegas7]

Inspirational as usual. But the question is when do the swivels go into production and where do we get them?

[ebozyn]

Cool Video. I dig the Baggin'. You seem to be attacking the bag with more confidence. It shows.


classified top secret:


That swivel looks awesome too. The white base looks killer. It's like some Area 51, Groom Lake stuff goin' on over there. Secret prototype testing.

"We are not alone."
"The truth is out there."

[MsDeville]

I see two traits converging, creativity and intensity. By intensity I mean that ballsy vibe you got going that puts one on the edge of their seat, by creativity the sure-handedness of your improvisation of interesting moves. I pondered last year what you'd be doing this year, and now I can't wait to see what level of the game you're bagging at next year. Bag on.

YES! That's exactly how I feel when I watched this video... edge of the seat with anticipation. (Anticipation of what, I don't quite know.:o ...a mis-hit?)
And, yes, I guess I am becoming more sure-handed. It comes with practice.

I am surprising myself with this addiction. I'm still hooked. Thanks so much for your keen observations, Jim.

[MsDeville]

Inspirational as usual.

But the question is when do the swivels go into production and where do we get them?

Thanks, Vegas7...
:eek: ... My original thought was to make a swivel that I would be happy with and that could also take some pummeling from Raul. I have a few rough prototypes. I figured on sending them to fellow speed baggers for them to critique. If I get a good review, and there's interest, we might actually consider producing them.



Cool Video. I dig the Baggin'. You seem to be attacking the bag with more confidence. It shows.

Thanks. Yes. I found out quickly (after the bag change) that I had to throw more of my body into those punches. It makes for a really good workout. In fact, I just came back in from a 30-minute practice on the Bradley and I'm feeling it. The loop on the Bradley is longer than most, and the carabiner might also hang lower than the conventional S-hook. Not sure. But, those things definitely factor in to the speed and propulsion of the bag.

That swivel looks awesome too. The white base looks killer. It's like some Area 51, Groom Lake stuff goin' on over there. Secret prototype testing.

"We are not alone."
"The truth is out there."

:D:D:D Area 51. How observant of you, ebo. So what if I happen to have some alien material for my swivel. No big deal. As long as it makes the bag fly...:)

[Zaza]

<)<)<)<) :cool:

I love watching these videos...you rock it! I'm diggin' the swivel too (we need to see it close-up though, post some stills).

My fav is when you start hitting the bigger bag and putting some power in it...that stuff is great isn't it? The hoody just adds to the intrigue of the Area 51 swivel. I half expect to see an alien of some sort revealed in the end! :eek:

Keep on keepin' on!

[Jake]

Wow!
Excellent!
I'll have to try some of those alternating D-DES.

[MsDeville]

<)<)<)<) :cool:

I love watching these videos...you rock it! I'm diggin' the swivel too (we need to see it close-up though, post some stills).

My fav is when you start hitting the bigger bag and putting some power in it...that stuff is great isn't it?

Thanks, zaza! I'll let my (non-interested) filmmaker son know that at least OTHER filmmakers are watching and critiquing my productions. :rolleyes::D


The hoody just adds to the intrigue of the Area 51 swivel. I half expect to see an alien of some sort revealed in the end! :eek:

Keep on keepin' on!

I'll try to post some close-ups of the swivel later. Right now, I'm looking out the window at 7 inches of frozen snow between me and the garage. I'll trek out there a little later, maybe after my 2nd cup of joe. *brrrrrr* I'm pretty jazzed about this swivel. It's so slick – literally. No resistance.



Wow!
Excellent!
I'll have to try some of those alternating D-DES.

Thanks Jake! Yes, the D-DES is a favorite of mine. I like to see how many in a row I can do.

[MsDeville]

Per zaza's request, here is a short video of the swivel up close and personal. :)

:o I need to sand and re-paint my drum :o.


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[Zaza]

Thanks... this looks nice. I've been thinking of building a few out if Delrin. (I build camera movement hardware at a CNC shop http://www.zazaslider.com/ ).

[spdyTommyT]

Cant wait to see what Raul has done up close. I always enjoy your videos but what i like most about this one is your intensity. Smokin that bag!

[MsDeville]

Thanks... this looks nice. I've been thinking of building a few out if Delrin. (I build camera movement hardware at a CNC shop http://www.zazaslider.com/ ).

Cool. I'm going to send this link to my son. It might be of interest to him. So, did you design these, zaza?

So, here's a little bit clearer shot of the swivel. I have placed a second brass ball beside the swivel, just so you can see how we made it.

http://www.speedbagforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2367&stc=1&d=1327378438

The material we used for the base is neoprene and it's one solid piece of material. I mistakenly called it Teflon when explaining it to paranday in a message. I've been seeing the name Delrin on some sites, but I am not familiar with its density, or hardness. This neoprene is pretty nice. It seems to be very durable. (Still doing heavy punching on one to see how it holds up.) I'm experimenting with stamping my initials in it with metal Lettering stamps. It's an inexpensive set, so they aren't coming out very nice. We've also painted a couple of them.

[Speedbag]

Cool. I'm going to send this link to my son. It might be of interest to him. So, did you design these, zaza?

So, here's a little bit clearer shot of the swivel. I have placed a second brass ball beside the swivel, just so you can see how we made it.

http://www.speedbagforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2367&stc=1&d=1327378438

The material we used for the base is neoprene and it's one solid piece of material. I mistakenly called it Teflon when explaining it to paranday in a message. I've been seeing the name Delrin on some sites, but I am not familiar with its density, or hardness. This neoprene is pretty nice. It seems to be very durable. (Still doing heavy punching on one to see how it holds up.) I'm experimenting with stamping my initials in it with metal Lettering stamps. It's an inexpensive set, so they aren't coming out very nice. We've also painted a couple of them.

This just keeps getting better and better. Where do you get the brass balls and eyelet shank and neopreme base plate in that shape.

Great looking swivel.

[speedbag4life]

Wow, how long have I been gone?? Who is this lady in the hoodie? Ms. D, you're commanding that bag like never before. Great job!

[ventanakaz]

Cool. I'm going to send this link to my son. It might be of interest to him. So, did you design these, zaza?

So, here's a little bit clearer shot of the swivel. I have placed a second brass ball beside the swivel, just so you can see how we made it.

http://www.speedbagforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2367&stc=1&d=1327378438

The material we used for the base is neoprene and it's one solid piece of material. I mistakenly called it Teflon when explaining it to paranday in a message. I've been seeing the name Delrin on some sites, but I am not familiar with its density, or hardness. This neoprene is pretty nice. It seems to be very durable. (Still doing heavy punching on one to see how it holds up.) I'm experimenting with stamping my initials in it with metal Lettering stamps. It's an inexpensive set, so they aren't coming out very nice. We've also painted a couple of them.

...nice swivel Ms Dee is that metal inserts in the mounting holes of the swivel base. BTW you rock the bag like always. (you go girl)...ralph

[Zaza]

Cool. I'm going to send this link to my son. It might be of interest to him. So, did you design these, zaza?


Yes... I design & build them... it's a little side business. I've sold them all over the world (you have to love the internet!) including some very famous directors....one even went to Pixar Animation Studios!

FYI... Delrin is VERY tough stuff and can easily be CNC'd to any shape.

[novaspeedbagger]

Couldn't help myself. :D

I wanted to make a video to show how well my new homemade swivel works on my outdoor steel platform. But it was 35° and with a forecast of snow. I was also having a "bad hair" day and so I made good use of my Hoody. :-)

For the past month or two "Trainer Raul" and I have been working together to make a custom swivel. And, I think we have a winner. I found a 1" brass ball online and Raul put an I-bolt on it. I got a small carabiner to attach to the I-bolt. Then we constructed the swivel housing out of some durable plastic material we found. (It sure helps to have access to a garage full of tools.)

I decided to post this on You Tube, even though my Big Fat Hoody Head was in the way most of the time. But, there are some choice segments and there's a pretty good view of the swivel in action.

Novaspeedbagger recommended this Santana song to me a while back. It's a great song to punch to. I'm punching on two very different bags in this video. An FS bag for the first half, and then I switched it out for an Aussie speed ball by Jim Bradley. It's a bigger bag, with a longer loop, so I had to scramble to get up to speed with the tempo.

Anyway here it is, for what it's worth…

v1dsRnqAnn4



Yes...
I am a
BAGAHOLIC.
.

Hope you like that song Denise! I've been hitting to it quite often lately. The swivel seems to perform flawlessly and the sound is very easy on the ears. Your style of punch drumming is continuing to influence my strike variety. Lately I've been adapting your I-DES (i.e. fist- elbow) by double bumping the inward fist strike and continuing through with the elbow stike followed by an O-DES and whatever else seems to be a natural flowing combination from there. Haven't quite masted this but it's a lot of fun working on it. So, thanks for your unique style of punching that continues to challenge me to expanding the variations available! I thought the vid was really good and the fact that you gutted it out in the snow is quite impressive :-)


Keep on Bagging and swivel making!:cool:

[Speedbag]

Hope you like that song Denise! I've been hitting to it quite often lately. The swivel seems to perform flawlessly and the sound is very easy on the ears. Your style of punch drumming is continuing to influence my strike variety. Lately I've been adapting your I-DES (i.e. fist- elbow) by double bumping the inward fist strike and continuing through with the elbow strike followed by an O-DES and whatever else seems to be a natural flowing combination from there. Haven't quite masted this but it's a lot of fun working on it. So, thanks for your unique style of punching that continues to challenge me to expanding the variations available! I thought the vid was really good and the fact that you gutted it out in the snow is quite impressive :-)


Keep on Bagging and swivel making!:cool:

Nova, I'm pretty sure that combination is illegal. How many rebounds between the Inward Elbow contact and Outward Double.

Naturally it would occur with three, but if you're using one that might be blasphemous.

:confused:

[MsDeville]

Cant wait to see what Raul has done up close. I always enjoy your videos but what i like most about this one is your intensity. Smokin that bag!

:):) Thanks, Tommy. I started out on the little white bag, but as I got into the song, I felt I needed a bigger bag. I feel like this kind of music warrants it. But, I soon realized after switching to that big Aussie bag, that I had to throw my body into it a little more.



This just keeps getting better and better. Where do you get the brass balls and eyelet shank and neopreme base plate in that shape.

Great looking swivel.

Thanks, Alan! We talked about the different choices of balls and decided that a brass ball is very smooth when finished and polished, so we found one on ebay. A little pricey, but we felt it was worth it. Raul came up with the neoprene design. Cut it out of neoprene.

I forgot to mention earlier that the punch drumming video I posted just before this Santana one has the very first prototype of the swivel. It's painted black, to see how it would look.

This video is actually clearer than the Santana one. You might be able to see the swivel action a little better. This is in HD. I've noticed that my camera's audio is not that great. The fact that I am punching in a HUGE (echoing) workshop doesn't help with the acoustics OR the ambiance. :mad: :rolleyes:

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Wow, how long have I been gone?? Who is this lady in the hoodie? Ms. D, you're commanding that bag like never before. Great job!

LISA! Hey, girl! You've been gone TOO LONG! It's good to hear from you. I've had the it bad for a few months.
Been on a B a G G i n' J A G for the past few months. Lots of new members have been inspiring me.

...nice swivel Ms Dee is that metal inserts in the mounting holes of the swivel base. BTW you rock the bag like always. (you go girl)...ralph

Thanks, Ralph! And, yes, they're 3/8" inserts.



Yes... I design & build them... it's a little side business. I've sold them all over the world (you have to love the internet!) including some very famous directors....one even went to Pixar Animation Studios!

FYI... Delrin is VERY tough stuff and can easily be CNC'd to any shape.

Very cool! I'll have to read up on the Delrin. And, I'm afraid I'll have to look up what CNC means. :o



Hope you like that song Denise! I've been hitting to it quite often lately. The swivel seems to perform flawlessly and the sound is very easy on the ears. Your style of punch drumming is continuing to influence my strike variety. Lately I've been adapting your I-DES (i.e. fist- elbow) by double bumping the inward fist strike and continuing through with the elbow stike followed by an O-DES and whatever else seems to be a natural flowing combination from there. Haven't quite masted this but it's a lot of fun working on it. So, thanks for your unique style of punching that continues to challenge me to expanding the variations available! I thought the vid was really good and the fact that you gutted it out in the snow is quite impressive :-) Keep on Bagging and swivel making!:cool:

Thanks, Kerry! There's nothing finer than a good long hit of Santana… ;) Great song. I'm glad that you like my punching style. Likewise, friend. I'm still doing a little fine tuning on the swivels.

[MsDeville]

Here's a different angle of the swivel.

http://www.speedbagforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2379&stc=1&d=1327472683

[Zaza]

:D

Computer Numerical Control (CNC) is one in which the functions and motions of a machine tool are controlled by means of a prepared program containing coded alphanumeric data.

:rolleyes:

[ebozyn]

Here's a different angle of the swivel.

http://www.speedbagforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2379&stc=1&d=1327472683

That's an interesting Swivel D.
Raul did a fine job there.

I have one question about the performance of your Area 51 Swivel. Just because it's how i test my swivels, and it gives me an idea of how much friction & resistance there is between the ball, and the housing.

One thing that is very important to me with a ball hook swivel is spin sustain. That is, i hang a bag on the swivel, grab the bag, and give it a nice spin, and i count how many seconds the bag remains spinning. About how many seconds will that swiv remain spinning? I was just wondering how the Area 51 does with the spin test

This may not mean a lot to most baggers when choosing a swivel, but bag spins are an important part of my bagging, and it's important to me that my swivels don't mess with my spins. The two plastic base swivels i have don't spin very long. Metal on Metal, spins like crazy, less friction i guess. I have one plastic base, with metal ball swiv, and that doesn't spin for very long either.

Thanks for the pics of your A51 swiv D.

[novaspeedbagger]

Hope you like that song Denise! I've been hitting to it quite often lately. The swivel seems to perform flawlessly and the sound is very easy on the ears. Your style of punch drumming is continuing to influence my strike variety. Lately I've been adapting your I-DES (i.e. fist- elbow) by double bumping the inward fist strike and continuing through with the elbow stike followed by an O-DES and whatever else seems to be a natural flowing combination from there. Haven't quite masted this but it's a lot of fun working on it. So, thanks for your unique style of punching that continues to challenge me to expanding the variations available! I thought the vid was really good and the fact that you gutted it out in the snow is quite impressive :-)


Keep on Bagging and swivel making!:cool:

Nova, I'm pretty sure that combination is illegal. How many rebounds between the Inward Elbow contact and Outward Double.

Naturally it would occur with three, but if you're using one that might be blasphemous.

:confused:

Ha Ha Alan! Never intended to offend, but if this is an original or a way to make a previous combination internationally popular maybe it could be titled, "The Blast-FA-MOUS" (i.e. being Fun and Famous) if it goes viral in the underground world of speed bagging, that is.:D Fat chance of that:rolleyes:

Anyway I hope you don't Kahn-vict me for violating the "Natural Law" of 3 rebounds, cuz I am going (attempting to go) from a double bumped-FSP-IES to O-DES with only 1 rebound occuring inbetween.

I'll cop a plea if it'll help. Just don't make me wear an orange jump suit in my next punch drumming vid with SBCCF stenslled on the back(Speed Bag Central Correctional Facility) to AC/DC's Hell's Bells.

I don't know......maybe ZaZa can do an indie short film of this comical blunder in the under-ground realm of speed bagging where my sentence is, "Blindfolded speed bagging for life with no parole" and I anguish over the fact, that because of my hopeless addiction to Bible style bagging, I have no chance of ever being an Ex-Kahn again. HaHaHaaaaaaaa!

[Speedbag]

.......Anyway I hope you don't Kahn-vict me for violating the "Natural Law" of 3 rebounds, cuz I am going (attempting to go) from a double bumped-FSP-IES to O-DES with only 1 rebound occuring inbetween.

Yep and actually there are a couple of ways to do that combo.

First, you could double double the FSP lead fist, make the Inward Elbow hit, than bring the the same fist back immediately after one rebound. In this example, the elbow only hits once, moving inward, then the same fist snaps back into the back. I see this more of a I-DES ' FCP because the bag is hit 3 times.

Second, you could double bump the lead FSP lead fist, then double bump the Elbow, hitting it once inward, then return with an Outward-Double Elbow Strike after one rebound. In this one, the inward elbow must continue just a bit after contact to clear and set up for the outward ES angle. In this combo the bag is hit x4 times, and looks like: I-DES ' O-DES.

Of course, you could also double bump all the parts, which I believe Tim amazingly well.

I do both the first and second when fooling around, but I haven't moved to using them in Punch Drumming. I do make that same accent pattern (of the second) by doing FDP ' FDP. that is the sound pattern of the second combo above.

ain't nothing for a bagger like Nova :)

[MsDeville]

:D

Computer Numerical Control (CNC) is one in which the functions and motions of a machine tool are controlled by means of a prepared program containing coded alphanumeric data. :rolleyes:

Oh. Yeah. That's what I thought it meant. :rolleyes:

That's an interesting Swivel D.
Raul did a fine job there.

I have one question about the performance of your Area 51 Swivel. Just because it's how i test my swivels, and it gives me an idea of how much friction & resistance there is between the ball, and the housing.

One thing that is very important to me with a ball hook swivel is spin sustain. That is, i hang a bag on the swivel, grab the bag, and give it a nice spin, and i count how many seconds the bag remains spinning. About how many seconds will that swiv remain spinning? I was just wondering how the Area 51 does with the spin test

This may not mean a lot to most baggers when choosing a swivel, but bag spins are an important part of my bagging, and it's important to me that my swivels don't mess with my spins. The two plastic base swivels i have don't spin very long. Metal on Metal, spins like crazy, less friction i guess. I have one plastic base, with metal ball swiv, and that doesn't spin for very long either.

Thanks for the pics of your A51 swiv D.

Good question, ebo, regarding the spin time. We are still in the early stages of this design. Three weeks ago, we were headed in a totally different direction with how to fabricate this, and then had the brainstorm with the neoprene material. So, in actuality, I have only been punching on this swivel for a couple of weeks. But, so far, I love it. I have one with an S-hook, and the rest are made to use a carabiner or a zip-tie. Or, even a shoe lace!

PLUS, this swivel isn't "broken in" yet. If my assumptions about the reaction of a brass ball rolling against slick neoprene at a fast, repetitive, and good length of time, my thought is that the ball will eventually create a slick surface on the neoprene as it swings in the neoprene groove during punching. And this should create a super-slick surface and reduce/eliminate resistance/friction. Anyway, I think it will...

I did a quick video last night to demonstrate the spin speed and spin time. I'm not very good at spinning, so please keep this in mind when watching. It was also cold out in the garage, if that has any bearing on performance. :o

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I hope this helps, ebo.

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[ebozyn]

Oh. Yeah. That's what I thought it meant. :rolleyes:



Good question, ebo, regarding the spin time. We are still in the early stages of this design. Three weeks ago, we were headed in a totally different direction with how to fabricate this, and then had the brainstorm with the neoprene material. So, in actuality, I have only been punching on this swivel for a couple of weeks. But, so far, I love it. I have one with an S-hook, and the rest are made to use a carabiner or a zip-tie. Or, even a shoe lace!

PLUS, this swivel isn't "broken in" yet. If my assumptions about the reaction of a brass ball rolling against slick neoprene at a fast, repetitive, and good length of time, my thought is that the ball will eventually create a slick surface on the neoprene as it swings in the neoprene groove during punching. And this should create a super-slick surface and reduce/eliminate resistance/friction. Anyway, I think it will...

I did a quick video last night to demonstrate the spin speed and spin time. I'm not very good at spinning, so please keep this in mind when watching. It was also cold out in the garage, if that has any bearing on performance. :o

9VIpNo31OnU

I hope this helps, ebo.

<)Y<)B<)BL

Thanks MsD!

I do that spin test thing a lot to check to see if my swivel needs lube , so your video gives me a very good idea of how that swivel would react to a touch spin.

That's a cool swivel

Thanks again for the demo vid.

[MsDeville]

Thanks MsD!

I do that spin test thing a lot to check to see if my swivel needs lube , so your video gives me a very good idea of how that swivel would react to a touch spin.

That's a cool swivel

Thanks again for the demo vid.

I forgot to mention that the last time the ball and socket were lubricated was at least a week prior to this little demo. It doesn't take much — a little dab will do you. Vaseline / petroleum jelly is the ONLY recommended lubrication for this swivel.

[Speedbag]

Thanks MsD!

I do that spin test thing a lot to check to see if my swivel needs lube , so your video gives me a very good idea of how that swivel would react to a touch spin.

That's a cool swivel

Thanks again for the demo vid.

I think that "wobble" or helicoptering effect is because of the caribener attachment unbalancing the ball.

[MsDeville]

Here is a video of "Trainer Raul" trying out the "Area 51" ;) swivel on the vertical board. He's punching on a large Cleto bag. It's his favorite bag to workout on. The swivel is really smooth on the vertical board and works a lot better than the Everlast nylon ball swivel he was using. BTW... I got exhausted just watching Raul punch! :eek: :D

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[Speedbag]

Here is a video of "Trainer Raul" trying out the "Area 51" ;) swivel on the vertical board. He's punching on a large Cleto bag. It's his favorite bag to workout on. The swivel is really smooth on the vertical board and works a lot better than the Everlast nylon ball swivel he was using. BTW... I got exhausted just watching Raul punch! :eek: :D

XYmRvwueSGo

Awesome looking set up and super swivel. Good job by Raul also. Pretty smooth baggin' there...