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  • Speedbag Seaweed Man
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    • Apr 2015
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    Ex #5H page 149 Speed Bag Bible study



    I have just realised the text says the combination goes in a clockwise direction, if viewed from a birds eye view, starting with a L-R FDP.

    It's meant to be

    L-R(FDP)'L(SSP)'R-L(RDP)'R(SSP)'L-R(RDP)'L(SSP). =9 punches


    I have been trying

    R-L(FDP)'R(SSP)'L-R(RDP)'L(SSP)'R-L(RDP)'R(SSP). also 9 punches.

    Question is is it the same combo? Either way I am finding it tricky getting the 7th punch to happen. It's like my brain can't remember what to do next or my fists get tangled.

    Does anyone have some advice or tips for this one? I'd be very grateful.
    I'd love to see a video of the full 9 punches if there is one.

    Maybe I need to go back to shadow boxing this again, no bag.

    Thanks..
  • Speedbag
    Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

    • Feb 2006
    • 7109

    #2
    Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View Post


    I have just realised the text says the combination goes in a clockwise direction, if viewed from a birds eye view, starting with a L-R FDP.

    It's meant to be

    L-R(FDP)'L(SSP)'R-L(RDP)'R(SSP)'L-R(RDP)'L(SSP). =9 punches

    I have been trying

    R-L(FDP)'R(SSP)'L-R(RDP)'L(SSP)'R-L(RDP)'R(SSP). also 9 punches.

    Question is is it the same combo? Either way I am finding it tricky getting the 7th punch to happen. It's like my brain can't remember what to do next or my fists get tangled.

    Does anyone have some advice or tips for this one? I'd be very grateful.
    I'd love to see a video of the full 9 punches if there is one.

    Maybe I need to go back to shadow boxing this again, no bag.

    Thanks..
    Yes it is, with the only difference being a change of lead.

    L-R(FDP) ' L(SSP) ' R-L(RDP) ' R(SSP) ' L-R(RDP) ' L(SSP). =9 punches


    I have been trying

    R-L(FDP) ' R(SSP) ' L-R(RDP) ' L(SSP) ' R-L(RDP) ' R(SSP). also 9 punches.

    You are doing the very same combination going around from the other side of the bag. The seventh punch is in Red.


    Break it in half for learning. This first three techniques (5 punches) walk your fists around the bag. The lead fist of the L-R RDP will go to the other side to make the SSP in the next part.

    R-L(FDP) ' R(SSP) ' L-R(RDP) '

    Now, below you are basically starting to walk your fists back around the "back" area of the bag starting with a SSP. This is the 6th punch of the combination. Notice the seventh punch (the lead right of the next RDP) was already behind the bag, as the 5th punch or second punch of the RDP in the above combination. The key is to remember to keep this fist behind the bag. It will re-enter as the lead of the RDP after the SSP.

    L(SSP) ' R-L(RDP) ' R(SSP).

    Whole thing again: R-L(FDP) ' R(SSP) ' L-R(RDP) ' L(SSP) ' R-L(RDP) ' R(SSP). (red R stays behind bag)


    You can also do the above starting from a Side Double Punch (SDP). Remember, a SSP is the second fist of a SDP. So, try this one.

    R-L(FDP) ' R(SSP) ' L-R(RDP) ' L(SSP) ' ' L-R(SDP) ' L-R(RDP) ' ' to front or SSP ( NOTICE the 2 rebounds ' ' in this combo. Also remember the 6th punch "L" of the SDP ) hits the side of the bag and passes to the front as the lead fist of the SDP. You will see a lot of people trying to put that lead fist of SDP over to the side of the bag but it does not, it actually hits more on the front panel of the bag. This is especially true if you just move from the elbows in this combination and not swing from the shoulders with extended arms.


    Also, the SSP is the third part of the Side Triple Elbow Strike (S-TES), so you could change the SDP for a S-TES. You could also change the FDP to an O-TES

    Ok, probably TMI (too much information)

    *TIP: SeaWeedMan: Try and start this combination from ANY technique, or any side of the bag. The purpose of those exercises is to show you that you can walk your hands around the sides and back of the bag starting from any position. You should eventually start this from a FDP, RDP, SDP. Sometimes the number of rebounds will be even or odd. Usually odd from SDP ' RDP or RDP ' SSP that creates the
    SSP ' RDP ' SSP ' RDP combination. the SDP to FDP or SDP to SDP, and FDP to RDP require 2 rebounds.
    Last edited by Speedbag; 05-03-2015, 05:12 PM.
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    • Speedbag Seaweed Man
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      #3
      Thanks Alan! I loved reading through your reply, enjoyed digesting each word and will not squander my opportunity here on this forum to learn from the master. Went straight to the bag and tried to put what I had read into practice. Being aware to remember to keep the right hand behind the bag while the left does the (SSP) was very helpful and I got the 7th punch in a few times and even the 7th then 8th (RDP) once, though not with a lot of precision. You have given me plenty more to contemplate and practice on as well which will fuel my addiction for weeks to come. I am really excited about this exercise, the fast flurry of fists (often ending in a tangle)is a great challenge and I am fascinated by the possibilities it offers.
      Santa gave me the Speed Bag Bible for christmas last year and want to say thanks to you for writing it- fantastic book.

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      • Speedbag Seaweed Man
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        • Apr 2015
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        #4
        Just updating my thread with the 9 punch completed here




        And 9+9 punch Ultimate 18 punch combo here




        And then did it again a bunch more times to show Alan how grateful I am for all of the help he has given me...



        Thanks.

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        • Speedbag
          Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

          • Feb 2006
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          #5
          Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View Post
          Just updating my thread with the 9 punch completed here




          And 9+9 punch Ultimate 18 punch combo here




          And then did it again a bunch more times to show Alan how grateful I am for all of the help he has given me...



          Thanks.
          Unreal. I've never seen anyone do that.
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          • Speedbag Seaweed Man
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            #6
            9-Punch with a (D-DES)' on the front and a '(RDP) on the end makes a 13-Punch variation.


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            • Speedbag
              Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

              • Feb 2006
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              #7
              Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View Post
              9-Punch with a (D-DES)' on the front and a '(RDP) on the end makes a 13-Punch variation.


              I would have to see that completely written out to see it.

              My original 9-punch combo did not use elbows, I was just working the fists around the bag with fist techniques and "1" rebound inbetween, and NOT using a SSP ' FCP or FSP, for In my practice of it a Front fist punch does not follow a side single punch on "1" rebound naturally, it is almost always "2" rebounds. Of course you can do a ssp ' and clip the bag from the front when it is aligned straight with the swivel, but it more naturally follows after 2.
              Do a SDP ' ' FDP and you will see the last fist of the side double connects the side of the bag and the lead fist of Front double lands after 2 rebounds.

              But "1" rebound is possible as an advanced variation.

              None-the-less, I did not intend that exercise to feature elbows. You can change the beginning FDP of the whole sequence to and Out-&-Down Four Way Elbow Strike to add more parts into that combo, so instead of the first SSP being "punch 3" it would be "connection 5" in the sequence, taking the total to 11, and also at the end, instead of ending with the SSP (connection 11) you could add in another four way elbow taking it to 15,

              instead of this 9 punch combo

              R-L(FDP) ' R(SSP) ' L-R(RDP) ' L(SSP) ' R-L(RDP) ' R(SSP)

              make it this for 15 contacts

              R-R\L-L(O-D 4way) ' R(SSP) ' L-R(RDP) ' L(SSP) ' R-L(RDP) ' R(SSP) ' R-R\L-L(O-D 4way) ( added, not in original combo)

              But again, the purpose of that combo in the book was to show nine continuous fist contacts around the bag with only ONE rebound inbetween, and also how those combinations can be written differently.

              I must say, you have mastered it unlike anybody I have ever seen. I know there are a few baggers that can most likely do that exercise and not know they are doing it, because the reading and writing of it all is "not their thing" but they have the skills to punch it.

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              • Speedbag Seaweed Man
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                #8
                I would write what I am doing here as

                (D-DES)'(FDP)'(SSP)'(RDP)'(SSP)'(RDP)'(SSP)'(RDP).

                It's just the same 9-punch combo but starting straight from a (fist- elbow) downward double elbow strike, then beginning the nine punch after one bounce, and adding a reverse double punch on the end.

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                • Speedbag
                  Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

                  • Feb 2006
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View Post
                  I would write what I am doing here as

                  (D-DES)'(FDP)'(SSP)'(RDP)'(SSP)'(RDP)'(SSP)'(RDP).

                  It's just the same 9-punch combo but starting straight from a (fist- elbow) downward double elbow strike, then beginning the nine punch after one bounce, and adding a reverse double punch on the end.
                  correct.
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                  • Speedbag Seaweed Man
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                    #10
                    Here is the rest of Ex#5H. First paragraph on page 150 but still working with the 9 punch. It goes (9-punch)'(RDP)'(SSP)'(RDP)'(SSP)'... and just keeps going. .

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                    • Speedbag
                      Author of the Speed Bag Bible, founder of speedbagcentral.com

                      • Feb 2006
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View Post
                      Here is the rest of Ex#5H. First paragraph on page 150 but still working with the 9 punch. It goes (9-punch)'(RDP)'(SSP)'(RDP)'(SSP)'... .


                      and just keeps going.


                      Yes it does Some combinations can repeat themselves over and over. The only variation I have found from RDP ' ' SSP ' ' RDP ' ' SSP ' ' ..... is to make the RDP a R-Roll for variety. Note the variations possible if you use an even count fist roll, (4-6-punches) versus and odd count (3-5 punch roll).


                      * hint. The RDP can be thought of as a two punch Fist Roll, ie...even count.
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                      • Speedbag Seaweed Man
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                        #12
                        Turning the RDP into a reverse fist roll with 3, 4 or more punches makes it way easier to perform. The odd number in a fist roll will change it into something totally different whereas an even number fist roll in place of the RDP just lengthens the time the fists spend behind the bag.

                        With a 3 or 5 punch R-Roll it is no longer a L-R-L-R-L combo. Not if you still want to alternate the side single punches from L-R-L-R. To keep the SSP going from L to R to L lead the last fist of the R-Roll will be the same fist that makes the SSP, so it's like a double bump with two strikes on the same fist.

                        Another way to modify it can be to add an O-SES on one bounce, after the SSP. Easy way to bring the bag back to being hit from the front and keep the one rebound rhythm going.

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                        • Speedbag
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Speedbag Seaweed Man View Post
                          Turning the RDP into a reverse fist roll with 3, 4 or more punches makes it way easier to perform. The odd number in a fist roll will change it into something totally different whereas an even number fist roll in place of the RDP just lengthens the time the fists spend behind the bag.

                          With a 3 or 5 punch R-Roll it is no longer a L-R-L-R-L combo. Not if you still want to alternate the side single punches from L-R-L-R. To keep the SSP going from L to R to L lead the last fist of the R-Roll will be the same fist that makes the SSP, so it's like a double bump with two strikes on the same fist.
                          The double bumping of a fist does make an interesting variation

                          especially if you rotate the fist of the RDP that is bumping from lead to second. Not to hard to figure out but an exercise in fist control.
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