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Old 03-11-2008, 07:57 PM
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Stuck in a rut

I need some help here. It just feels like I have leveled off with the speed bag. It feels like I am not getting better or learning anything new. I bought a new bag and that helped for a couple of days, then I built a new platform..... How do you guys get through these patches?
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Old 03-11-2008, 08:47 PM
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What always works for me is to pick some technique I can't do and focus on that...

For example, if you can do F-ROLL (Front roll) , but not R-ROLL (rear roll) try that instead.

Or side punches, elbows (downward, outward, or inward), etc.

I pick a technique and concentrate on it.. once I can do it well by itself then I practice transitioning to it from other techniques.

Right now I am concentrating on advanced F-ROLL and fist rotation (from tape 4 of the Speed Bag Bible video DVD series)

If you don't have the speed bag bible book or DVD, check out some of these video clips (from Speed Bag Central) to give you some ideas. This is by no means a comprehensive list of all the techiques, I like these clips because they are short and to the point and demonstrate one or two techniques....

http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=1&id=4&p=1 (Front Fist Roll)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=1&id=5&p=1 (Double Fist Linking)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=16&p=1 (Single fist linking Pass through)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=17&p=1 (Split Fist)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=18&p=1 (Downward Triple ES to Reverse Single Punch)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=53&p=1 (Outward and Downward Double Elbow Strikes)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=54&p=1 (Outward Triple Elbow Strike)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=55&p=1 (Reverse Fist Rolling)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=56&p=1 (Front to Reverse Fist Rolling)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=57&p=1 (Triplet Rythm)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=58&p=1 (Basic Rythm)
http://www.speedbagcentral.com/vidpop.php?c=8&id=59&p=1 (Front Double Punch)


Or post some video of what you can do ... we will gladly tell you where you can improve, or where to take it next....

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Old 03-11-2008, 09:16 PM
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Great advice Tim, My problems are with transitions from one to another but they are comming slowly but surely...hehehe. Hopefully I'll be able to post a video soon we are trying to figure out how to get video clips from my daughters phone to a computer so I can post them.
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I need some help here. It just feels like I have leveled off with the speed bag. It feels like I am not getting better or learning anything new. I bought a new bag and that helped for a couple of days, then I built a new platform..... How do you guys get through these patches?
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I have had many "dry spells", where I'd hit and seem to do the same thing over and over, and it might get routine for a few weeks. Then, I'd have that "Eureka" workout where something new would hit me, (usually because of a miss or screw up, and something different would come from it). In those workouts, I would usually find three or four new things (new combinations or insights into how to modify something to advance a movement). When that happens I usually write them down in my own speed bag shorthand combination system, and work on them in future workouts.

I really started breaking new ground when I started doing what I call "echo rhythms", meaning creating a 3-8 punch combination "beat sound" and then try to reproduce that beat from all positions around the bag.
An easy way to envision that is: Front Double Punching (FDP) in the triplet rhythms creates a certain beat sound. Now reproduce it with different techniques from all around the bag. You can do that with Outward-Double Elbow Strikes (O-DES), Downward-Double Elbow Strikes (D-DES) and Reverse Double Punching (RDP). Those combinations will "echo" or reproduce the same beat. This helps you learn to control the SOUND of your punching, which really helps when punch drumming to music, where you want to reproduce beats around the bag in time to music.
There are Tons of combinations sounds the echo each other. A three Punch Fist Roll makes the same sound as the Triple Elbow Strike. I would work on several complicated echo's (complicated because each combo includes fists linking all around the bag - using all five Double Punches.

Front Double Punch (FDP)
Reverse Double Punch (RDP)
Side Double Punch (SDP)
Reverse-Side Double Punch (R-SDP)
Side-Reverse Double Punch (S-RDP) (*hardest to do)

Another thing to do is: Cadence Punching. This is easier to imagine if you are a drummer or have seen a marching band and marching cadences. Think of some simple drum cadences in your head and try to punch them on the bag. Start slowly and try to figure how to replicate the accented beat sounds as close as you can.

Another thing you could do is work on controlling new techniques that you're not very good at. Try mixing every technique with every other technique you now how to do. Even if you only know 4 or 5 of the 24 techniques, you can create tons of combinations in different orders.

OR - you could try to punch to music. Maybe you won't get better each time, but at least your listening to your favorite tunes along the way.
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Great advice Tim, My problems are with transitions from one to another
Depending on what your transitioning FROM and TO, you could reverse them. For instance, If you are having trouble going from Front Double Punch (FDP) To Reverse Double Punch (RDP) - then reverse it and go from Reverse Double Punch (RDP) to Front Double Punch (FDP). It's the same movement plane, but sometimes makes it easier. Particularly when changing sides of the bag.
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Due to a bad right shoulder, I have to stick with the basic hits; nothing fancy.

Still, my attitude is that I'm so thankful to be able to hit the bags. I'm not saying you're not, but like so many things in life, is just the appreciation of the moment.

Like Speedbag said, I play music too to make hitting more than just exercise; it's an "escape".

Plus I hit various size bags in various ways. My favorite is the double-end bags but I love the beat of the speed bags though.

It's good to search for new over known, but it's also good to have a new look at what is known.
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Thanks for all the responses. Tim, here is a link of me messing around tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv61hU8KDT0
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Thanks for all the responses. Tim, here is a link of me messing around tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv61hU8KDT0
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For some reason, everytime I go to youtube, it shows the video name and sound, but no video. I've got three computers in my house and each one is the same! I cannot get a video picture.

??? When I can get a video to play, I'll check it out.
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Same problem here. Apparently You Tube has changed some things, and you have to download an upgraded flash player in order to see anything.
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Old 03-12-2008, 06:59 PM
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I was able to view it no problems... but I'm on Mac so that may have something to do with it.

You've got a really impressive command of many of the speed bag bible techniques. Do you have the speed bag bible, either book or DVD ?

You've got linking down well , front fist roll, great downward elbows, front double punch, some side punch all done very well.

Here's a few directions you could head in next

Reverse Fist Roll

I saw downard elbows, but no outwards, no inwards. You can also combine those into various 3 way (outward triple elbow for example) and 4 way elbows (either out and in or out and down)



Oh and good choice on the movie, Dumb and Dumber is one of my all time favorites

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