Question? I have played rhythm guitar and I find myself bagging more to rhythm patterns than to drum beats. I do tend to mix the two during a song though. Rhythm patterns tend to have a natural flow for me. for ex: 1and 2e and 3and 4eand, which is eighth notes and triplets in a 4/4 time signature. My question is can this combination of the two be effective in pulling of a good video demo without over powering the song as long as proper time is kept?
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Originally posted by Del-Striking View PostQuestion? I have played rhythm guitar and I find myself bagging more to rhythm patterns than to drum beats. I do tend to mix the two during a song though. Rhythm patterns tend to have a natural flow for me. for ex: 1and 2e and 3and 4eand, which is eighth notes and triplets in a 4/4 time signature. My question is can this combination of the two be effective in pulling of a good video demo without over powering the song as long as proper time is kept?
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I hear ya Del...
as a nube speed bagger myself and coming from the angle of a drummer....,
For better or worse I can't help but listen to my inner clock counting -
eights...1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +
counting off sixteenths 1E+A...2E+A...3E+A...4E+A
triplets 1 Ta Ta...2 Ta Ta...3 Ta Ta...4 Ta Ta
16th triplets...1.Ta.Ta.+.Ta.Ta...2.Ta.Ta.+.Ta.Ta
My initial perceived challenge of punch drumming is that most western modern music is straight forward 4/4 time....and speed bag or rather maybe just beginner speed bag naturally gravitates toward grouping of 3s with the basic rebounds.
It seems the more challenging single hits,...rolls..and reverse punches are required to be built up proficiently in order to hit along to 8ths and 16ths.
This is certainly a "no duh" observation from the accomplished bagger...but just a newbie's first impression.
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Originally posted by KaiserSosa View PostI hear ya Del...
as a nube speed bagger myself and coming from the angle of a drummer....,
For better or worse I can't help but listen to my inner clock counting -
eights...1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +
counting off sixteenths 1E+A...2E+A...3E+A...4E+A
triplets 1 Ta Ta...2 Ta Ta...3 Ta Ta...4 Ta Ta
16th triplets...1.Ta.Ta.+.Ta.Ta...2.Ta.Ta.+.Ta.Ta
My initial perceived challenge of punch drumming is that most western modern music is straight forward 4/4 time....and speed bag or rather maybe just beginner speed bag naturally gravitates toward grouping of 3s with the basic rebounds.
It seems the more challenging single hits,...rolls..and reverse punches are required to be built up proficiently in order to hit along to 8ths and 16ths.
This is certainly a "no duh" observation from the accomplished bagger...but just a newbie's first impression.
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Originally posted by Speedbag View PostYes. as long as you can make the bag understand it, your system will work fine.
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Originally posted by KaiserSosa View PostI hear ya Del...
as a nube speed bagger myself and coming from the angle of a drummer....,
For better or worse I can't help but listen to my inner clock counting -
eights...1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +
counting off sixteenths 1E+A...2E+A...3E+A...4E+A
triplets 1 Ta Ta...2 Ta Ta...3 Ta Ta...4 Ta Ta
16th triplets...1.Ta.Ta.+.Ta.Ta...2.Ta.Ta.+.Ta.Ta
My initial perceived challenge of punch drumming is that most western modern music is straight forward 4/4 time....and speed bag or rather maybe just beginner speed bag naturally gravitates toward grouping of 3s with the basic rebounds.
It seems the more challenging single hits,...rolls..and reverse punches are required to be built up proficiently in order to hit along to 8ths and 16ths.
This is certainly a "no duh" observation from the accomplished bagger...but just a newbie's first impression.
If you are an accomplished or well trained drummer however you can over think the speed bag and it's different repetitive beat patterns. Particularly when getting off into 8ths and sixteenths. You do have a lot of creative possibilities on the speed bag when punch drumming but not nearly as much as when playing "with sticks" on a drum. The drummer with sticks or hand is completely free to vary accent and speed on every hit, but on the speed bag you are much more limited. Consider the speed bag as "the stick", for it is the connection between your hand and the board (drum). As soon as the bag leaves your fist and is "floating" in the arc of the rebound, you have no control of accent (force) or speed of movement, for your hand is off the bag. In that regard, the "swinging rebounds" (unpunched) are set and you cannot vary them. Consider the Triplet rhythm. the first (punched) rebound is the loudest, and the second and third are progressively softer. You cannot alter the sound pattern or speed of the second and third rebounds. You cannot make the last (3rd) rebound louder then the second, or first. The drummer with sticks, or on bongo's can absolutely change the accent pattern of triplets, putting the emphasis on any stroke he wants, and speeding up or slowing down on every single hit, so he has far more rhythmic variations at his disposal than on a speed bag.
So, the sound pattern of the basic rhythm is set and that holds true for every other combination on the speed bag. You simply cannot change the accent patterns of speed bag combinations for you have no control of the swinging rebounds. But the relevant part of this for our purposes is: The swinging rebounds don't count in punch drumming. They add variety to the sound obviously, and you may have to adjust the force of your next punch to allow time for an extra rebound to occur, but the swinging rebounds offer nothing to you for keeping time to music on the bag, other than having to allow time for them to happen. The biggest secret in Punch Drumming I could offer is that only the PUNCHED rebound matters to keep time with a song. You must adjust punching force to allow time for the unpunched (swinging) rebounds to occur, but those swinging rebounds tell you nothing about where you are in the measure or when to hit again. Trying to count eighths and sixteenths with rebounds can become overwhelming, and to my mind at least, useless - for keeping time.
The triplet rhythm of the bag works awesome for songs in 3/4 time. Just punch on every beat when you tap your foot. Try it with the theme from Contender.
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Feel the pulse of the song, tap your foot on the main beats, then punch when your foot hits the floor. Adjust your power until the 3 rebounds of the triplet rhythm feel in time to the music. If your beat is too slow or too fast, you will adjust the bag speed on the next PUNCH. You can't control the swinging rebounds. Once you get the triplet rhythm in time to the song, then you can move the triplet rhythm from the front of the bag to the back (reverse area) by doing a Double Punch on the side you are going to (Reverse Double Punch RDP in this case) and make sure the last (SECOND) fist hits the bag "on the beat". Consider the lead fist of that double punch as a pick up beat, kind of like the first stick of a flam. You will find in almost every case you will double punch on the side you are going to - to change sides of the bag and stay there for a few punches. There is a method to much of the madness to punch drumming, but counting every rebound isn't one of them.
at least for me. I never count when I do it, only when I'm trying to explain it.
Last edited by Speedbag; 11-01-2014, 01:22 AM.Speed Bag
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