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Old 11-12-2018, 11:48 PM
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Got these on ebay. A 6" 4200 and a larger 7, maybe 8" 4202 both in obviously used condition but I've installed title bladders in each of them and they function as they should. I've included a picture of the pieces of the bladder that were inside the 4200. I had no idea that a speed bag bladder could dissolve into flakes over time. I'm guessing that's what happened.
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:45 AM
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Not that unusual, the red plastic bladders had several issues with them, I've seen a couple that did this, but mostly they suffered from seam failures. The disintegration appears to have been the result from less than ideal storage conditions.
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:45 AM
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Got these on ebay. A 6" 4200 and a larger 7, maybe 8" 4202 both in obviously used condition but I've installed title bladders in each of them and they function as they should. I've included a picture of the pieces of the bladder that were inside the 4200. I had no idea that a speed bag bladder could dissolve into flakes over time. I'm guessing that's what happened.
Lots of memories of those sealed plastic bladders. I fixed and replaced my share. I'm glad technology moved on....
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:14 AM
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Lots of memories of those sealed plastic bladders. I fixed and replaced my share. I'm glad technology moved on....
When those plastic bladders worked they worked very well, super light weight. I don't think we've yet seen technology that has moved on, just pretty good old technology from Title. I just replaced the bladder in Big Blue and the Title bladder failed by the next morning.

The better mousetrap bladder hasn't been made yet but Everlast was at least trying something. Just the wrong something. Let's make bladders great again and bring home speed bag manufacturing designed for people who bag by people. who bag.
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:23 AM
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Let's make bladders great again and bring home speed bag manufacturing designed for people who bag by people. who bag.
That would be nice, but I doubt anything like that will happen. Probably just get worse and worse until China bags are deemed higher quality.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:16 AM
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That would be nice, but I doubt anything like that will happen. Probably just get worse and worse until China bags are deemed higher quality.
I'd love to convince Title to take one of my 4205 bags and dismantle it and duplicate it. It's a far better design than their big blue bag. Get the leather thickness and the measurements and the construction methods copied as close to exactly as possible. The world needs a great old school big bag. Whether it's made in China or Wichita I'll leave up to them.
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:51 PM
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The 4200 (the smaller bag) has some heavy wear on some of the seams, I know I can't undo that but I'll try to take some steps to prolong its usefulness. Any pointers on caring for such an old used bag? I really like hitting on it, can't stop. Off work for a few days so I'm going to get to know this bag really well.
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My 2 cents would be just put some mink oil on it, get it down into the seams to protect the threads. Not much else worth doing, imo. They come up pretty frequently on eBay. I scored one for a very low price. Also, every 4200 seems to be a little diff, and construction materials vary by year.

I actually like one of my kidskin 4202's more than the 4200. But only one of them. The other one not so much. Go figure.

Here is an idea for someone to invent a better bladder. Make a polymer that gets stronger the more it stretches. The more you inflate it, the more pressure it takes to expand it further. It would be like the invention of steal-belted radial tires, a quantum leap over standard tires.

Maybe there is such a material already?
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Thanks for the mink oil tip Rusty.
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Thanks for the mink oil tip Rusty.
That is a great bag. The 4200 9x6 was my favorite bag for about 20 years. The "original" version had leather welting and later change to that red plastic. I beat a bunch of that welting flat and had a bag seams stitched at shoe shops in Memphis to keep them together. They just worked and really held up under hard beating from lots of people. At the time, I did not like the smaller 4204 8x5, thinking it was "too light".
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