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Old 05-31-2018, 08:23 PM
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So here are some pics of 4 of the 5 swivels I own. It's like the old Sesame Street or Electric Company one of these is not like the other. 4 of my Swivels are exactly the same hole pattern (I don't have the First Rate pictured but it is) The Forza is the only one different. I know everyone has said they have always lined up with the Forza but not mine. I am new to this so maybe I just bought the wrong swivels before the Forza. But here are the pics so you can see.
Well....I have to eat a little crow here. I now have 4 of the newer Forza's (used to be the MMA swivel when it first came out) and I can attest that the Forza holes do NOT align with the other bases. Any TWO holes next to each other will align, but the holes directly across from these will be too short and only cover half of the normal base swivel holes. I've tried this with 15 or so different swivels (I have a few...) and they are all a tad short AND the screw holes are also smaller.

I can make it fit on my board only because I had drilled my holes a bit larger to accommodate some irregular bases that are a normal part of production, AND the early Deville model was also a bit off, (but fixed in later editions).

I drilled my holes all the way through the board so I can put bolts through and put washer & nuts on top, and I have several size bolts to allow for different size "screw holes". Also, On my "outside boards" (2 in my garage) I have several "sets" of holes in one of the boards (can't remember which) because they are old timey presswood and get "reshaped" easier than wood, ....SO I drilled a new 4-hole set in between my old holes, leaving 8 holes in the center for attachment. Because of some holes being wider and worn more, I could fit my first "MMA" swivel (Forza) on that board by forcing a few bolts through "at an angle" and use a gently use a hammer for persuasion. The bolt was through at an angle but worked.

I don't think I can attach a Forza to my inside board via the four holes I have. Two will fit, two will not, .....SO the easiest fix for me would be to Simple Rotate the Forza so the holes are inbetween the others and just drill them out. I also wish the screw holes were larger to accommodate thicker bolts or screws. Oh well. Other than that it is an amazing Ball hook swivel!.
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Old 06-01-2018, 01:22 PM
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Do you have any suction with Forza? Maybe you can find out why they used a new hole pattern. Surely, it would be in their interest to use a standard hole pattern if they are selling individual replacement swivels. Maybe they are not aware of the issue yet.

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Old 06-02-2018, 09:21 AM
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Do you have any suction with Forza? Maybe you can find out why they used a new hole pattern. Surely, it would be in their interest to use a standard hole pattern if they are selling individual replacement swivels. Maybe they are not aware of the issue yet.

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Not sure about how much "suction" I have, but I can ask if there was any design change. The creator/seller is a speed bag fan but not a speed bag user.
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Yeah, that is what I meant by suction. Been watching The Wire again.
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Not sure about how much "suction" I have, but I can ask if there was any design change. The creator/seller is a speed bag fan but not a speed bag user.
John Reynolds, right? He made the Swiveltek also, right? The holes didn't line up on the Swiveltek either.

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p.s. I saw a vid of John using a speed bag. Probably better than me.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:35 PM
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John Reynolds, right? He made the Swiveltek also, right? The holes didn't line up on the Swiveltek either.

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p.s. I saw a vid of John using a speed bag. Probably better than me.
I doubt that seriously. I've seen him also

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